[Taxacom] Proofs for opinion

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Jan 7 20:38:32 CST 2015

In an ideal world ...

On Thu, 8/1/15, Walker, Ken <kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Cc: "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>, "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Donat Agosti" <agosti at amnh.org>, "Pete Cranston" <pscranston at gmail.com>
 Received: Thursday, 8 January, 2015, 3:10 PM
 >Publishers don't
 like making mistakes, and sometimes try to hide them...
 That why we need competent
 taxonomic subject editors or Chief Editors. It should not
 get to the publisher if it is not ICZN code compliant.
 Sent from my iPad
 > On 8 Jan 2015, at 11:34 am, Stephen Thorpe
 <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 > The
 problem, Donat, is that this is not formalised in the Code.
 I agree that it makes sense, and for pragmatic reasons I
 accept it, but there is still the problem of verification,
 i.e. that the publisher didn't try to "pull a fast
 one" by adding in a forgotten ZooBank LSID after the
 Early View version was first published online. Publishers
 don't like making mistakes, and sometimes try to hide
 > Stephen
 > On Thu, 8/1/15, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
 > Subject:
 RE: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 > To:
 "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>,
 "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
 "KenWalker" <kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au>
 > Received: Thursday, 8 January, 2015, 1:06
 > The authors
 explain that
 > from a formal publishing
 point of view (the publishers
 > should be
 the one that define what a publication is and not
 > the one who creates the content) the
 publication does not
 > change when adding
 page numbers?
 "Recommendations on Journal Article
 > Versions which state clearly that the
 addition of
 > bibliographical details,
 namely pagination and volume/issue
 number, are not part of the content of a paper and do not
 > change the version of an article
 (NISO/ALPSP Journal Article
 > Versions
 (JAV) Technical Working Group, 2008; Morgan 2008).
 > If the content of the early electronic
 version is immutable,
 > apart from
 bibliographical details, then this early
 > electronic version is the Version of
 Record following
 > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/syen.12119/
 > I can accept this
 > Donat
 > -----Original
 > Message-----
 > From:
 Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 > On Behalf Of Neal Evenhuis
 > Sent: Thursday,
 January 8, 2015 1:00 AM
 > To: Stephen
 > Taxacom; KenWalker
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
 > Proofs for opinion
 > On
 > Stardate 1/7/15
 1:43 PM, Star Commander "Stephen
 > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 > wrote:
 >> how can we
 > verify
 that they were indeed validly published. Answer: ONLY
 version (PDF) has
 > been archived and is
 accessible. As
 >> far
 > as I can tell, if anything at all gets
 archived, it is the
 > final
 >> paginated version. This could be
 > a problem ...
 > ***********
 > That was
 > problem that came up in the
 discussions among a number of us
 > that
 led to this paper. The early view is indeed a valid
 > publication at the time it comes online
 (any clicking on the
 > DOI leads you to
 the archived electronic early view). But
 > apparently, the early view version gets
 trashed once the
 > paginated journal
 version of the article comes out.
 > If it
 is archived anywhere, I could not find
 it. Clicking on the same DOI [= archived version] goes
 > directly to the paged version and not the
 early view
 > publication.
 > One would
 > think that "archiving" means
 permanence, but this
 > is not so when the
 original archived version changes.
 > You should not be able to do a
 > "bait and switch" in
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