[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

Scott Thomson scott.thomson321 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 13 18:04:10 CDT 2015


I know that Stephen but it is one way people use to determine priority when
everything else is equal. Sometimes you have to synonymise multiple names
from the same work. Have to pick somethng.

Cheers, Scott

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> There is no such thing as page priority in zoological nomenclature.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary
> electronic versions of taxonomic papers
>  To: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
>  Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 11:38 AM
>
>  Hi Frank,
>
>  I find this an interesting
>  topic and have a question, I am currently
>  reading both yours and Alain's papers. I
>  accept this is a rare scenario
>  however it
>  does happen. In the event of a later reviewer of a
>  taxonomic
>  work which has named several
>  species in the same work, decides the taxa are
>  not all valid and wishes to synonymise them
>  into less taxa (hypothetical
>  example here)
>  if we are accepting the final immutable version whether
>  or
>  not it has the metadata are you
>  suggesting that if we need to use
>  pagination
>  for determining priority, we take that by implication? By
>  that I
>  mean just use the logical sequence of
>  the pages to determine priority. Or
>  once the
>  version with the metadata is out use that to determine
>  the
>  sequence of the descriptions, but use
>  the date of the final immutable
>  version as
>  the date of publication? There are very old texts where that
>  was
>  necessary so its not without precedent
>  however to my knowledge no recent
>  papers
>  required this.
>
>  Sorry for
>  what sounds like a nit picking question, its not meant to
>  be, I
>  just like to see the bases covered and
>  its a difficulty that came to mind.
>
>  Cheers, Scott
>
>  On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Frank T. Krell
>  <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
>  wrote:
>
>  >
>  Dear Colleagues,
>  >
>  >
>  my paper on the same topic that Dubois et al. suggest to
>  reject is also
>  > available on Research
>  Gate and academia.edu:
>  >
>  >
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274372707_A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
>  >
>  >
> https://www.academia.edu/11757528/A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
>  >
>  > I consider my
>  suggestions a more realistic and workable approach.
>  >
>  > All the best
>  >
>  > Frank
>  >
>  > Dr. Frank-T. Krell,
>  Chair, ZooBank Committee
>  > http://zoobank.org
>  >
>  Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological
>  Nomenclature
>  > Curator of Entomology
>  > Department of Zoology
>  >
>  Denver Museum of Nature & Science
>  >
>  2001 Colorado Boulevard
>  > Denver, CO
>  80205-5798 USA
>  > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>  > Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
>  > Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
>  > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
>  > lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original
>  Message-----
>  > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of
>  > Alain Dubois
>  > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 6:29 PM
>  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  > Subject: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural
>  availability of preliminary electronic
>  >
>  versions of taxonomic papers
>  >
>  > Dear Colleagues,
>  >
>  > We published in the *Bulletin of
>  Zoological Nomenclature* a paper dealing
>  > with the electronic availability of
>  preliminary versions (so-called 'early
>  > views') of taxonomic papers containing
>  new names or nomenclatural acts.
>  >
>  > This paper can be downloaded at:
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282651131_Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
>  >
>  > or
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
> https://www.academia.edu/16552783/Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
>  >
>  > In this paper, we
>  proposed the creation of a 'label' for journals
>  taking
>  > the engagement to publish online
>  only one version of each paper, with its
>  > final date, issue number and
>  pagination.
>  >
>  >
>  Colleagues, editors and publishers interested in this
>  proposal of label
>  > are welcome to
>  contact us at <zoonomina at gmail.com>.
>  >
>  > Best wishes,
>  >
>  > Alain Dubois
>  >
>  >
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