[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Tue Oct 13 18:06:15 CDT 2015


You are talking about first reviser actions. Given names of equal priority, you can choose whichever one you wish to have precedence over the others.

Stephen

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On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Cc: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 12:04 PM
 
 I know
 that Stephen but it is one way people use to determine
 priority when everything else is equal. Sometimes you have
 to synonymise multiple names from the same work. Have to
 pick somethng.
 Cheers,
 Scott
 On Tue,
 Oct 13, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 wrote:
 There is
 no such thing as page priority in zoological
 nomenclature.
 
 
 
 Stephen
 
 
 
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 On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of
 preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
 
  To: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 
  Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 
  Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 11:38 AM
 
 
 
  Hi Frank,
 
 
 
  I find this an interesting
 
  topic and have a question, I am currently
 
  reading both yours and Alain's papers. I
 
  accept this is a rare scenario
 
  however it
 
  does happen. In the event of a later reviewer of a
 
  taxonomic
 
  work which has named several
 
  species in the same work, decides the taxa are
 
  not all valid and wishes to synonymise them
 
  into less taxa (hypothetical
 
  example here)
 
  if we are accepting the final immutable version whether
 
  or
 
  not it has the metadata are you
 
  suggesting that if we need to use
 
  pagination
 
  for determining priority, we take that by implication?
 By
 
  that I
 
  mean just use the logical sequence of
 
  the pages to determine priority. Or
 
  once the
 
  version with the metadata is out use that to determine
 
  the
 
  sequence of the descriptions, but use
 
  the date of the final immutable
 
  version as
 
  the date of publication? There are very old texts where
 that
 
  was
 
  necessary so its not without precedent
 
  however to my knowledge no recent
 
  papers
 
  required this.
 
 
 
  Sorry for
 
  what sounds like a nit picking question, its not meant
 to
 
  be, I
 
  just like to see the bases covered and
 
  its a difficulty that came to mind.
 
 
 
  Cheers, Scott
 
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Frank T. Krell
 
  <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
  >
 
  Dear Colleagues,
 
  >
 
  >
 
  my paper on the same topic that Dubois et al. suggest
 to
 
  reject is also
 
  > available on Research
 
  Gate and academia.edu:
 
  >
 
  > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274372707_A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
 
  >
 
  > https://www.academia.edu/11757528/A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
 
  >
 
  > I consider my
 
  suggestions a more realistic and workable approach.
 
  >
 
  > All the best
 
  >
 
  > Frank
 
  >
 
  > Dr. Frank-T. Krell,
 
  Chair, ZooBank Committee
 
  > http://zoobank.org
 
  >
 
  Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological
 
  Nomenclature
 
  > Curator of Entomology
 
  > Department of Zoology
 
  >
 
  Denver Museum of Nature & Science
 
  >
 
  2001 Colorado Boulevard
 
  > Denver, CO
 
  80205-5798 USA
 
  > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
 
  > Phone: (+1) (303)
 370-8244
 
  > Fax: (+1) (303)
 331-6492
 
  > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
 
  > lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
 
  >
 
  >
 
  >
 
  >
 
  >
 
  > -----Original
 
  Message-----
 
  > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 
  On Behalf Of
 
  > Alain Dubois
 
  > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 6:29 PM
 
  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 
  > Subject: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural
 
  availability of preliminary electronic
 
  >
 
  versions of taxonomic papers
 
  >
 
  > Dear Colleagues,
 
  >
 
  > We published in the *Bulletin of
 
  Zoological Nomenclature* a paper dealing
 
  > with the electronic availability of
 
  preliminary versions (so-called 'early
 
  > views') of taxonomic papers containing
 
  new names or nomenclatural acts.
 
  >
 
  > This paper can be downloaded at:
 
  >
 
  >
 
  >
 
  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282651131_Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
 
  >
 
  > or
 
  >
 
  >
 
  >
 
  https://www.academia.edu/16552783/Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
 
  >
 
  > In this paper, we
 
  proposed the creation of a 'label' for journals
 
  taking
 
  > the engagement to publish online
 
  only one version of each paper, with its
 
  > final date, issue number and
 
  pagination.
 
  >
 
  >
 
  Colleagues, editors and publishers interested in this
 
  proposal of label
 
  > are welcome to
 
  contact us at <zoonomina at gmail.com>.
 
  >
 
  > Best wishes,
 
  >
 
  > Alain Dubois
 
  >
 
  >
 
  ____________________________________
 
  >
 
  > Professeur Alain Dubois
 
  > Muséum National d'Histoire
 
  Naturelle
 
  > Institut Systématique,
 
  Evolution, Biodiversité (ISYEB) - UMR 7205 Reptiles
 
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  > 25 rue Cuvier
 
  > 75005
 
  Paris
 
  > France
 
  >
 
  > emails: <adbionomina at gmail.com>,
 
  <adpeerj at gmail.com>,
 
  <adubois at mnhn.fr>
 
  >
 
  > Chief Editor,
 
  Bionomina
 
  > <http://www.mapress.com/bionomina>
 
  >
 
  > Nomenclature Editor,
 
  Zootaxa
 
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  >
 
  > Academic Editor,
 
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  de
 
  > chiffres, c’est la qualité du
 
  jugement, l’exigence logique, l’appétit de la
 
  > preuve, la notion de la complexité des
 
  choses et de l’arduité des
 
  >
 
  problèmes. C’est l’habitude du doute, le
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  dans la méfiance, la
 
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 qu’on
 
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 profit
 
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  le génie mais sans en faire une idole, c’est
 
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