[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

Richard Pyle deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Sun Oct 18 02:10:58 CDT 2015


Nah... I prefer my suggested solution better.  SkyNet will probably come into play after I retire.  Besides, from what I understand, post-SkyNet we'll have bigger problems to worry about...  :-)

Rich

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Miller [mailto:Chuck.Miller at mobot.org]
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 1:02 PM
> To: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> Cc: Roderic Page; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; John Noyes
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic
> versions of taxonomic papers
> 
> When SkyNet becomes self aware, it instantaneously resolves all names,
> concepts and identifiers to a single Unity and then embarks to destroy all
> humans to prevent future corruption of its perfection.
> 
> > On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > <rant>
> >
> > The answer has always been obvious to me.  In the age of the emerging
> internet (and yes, it is very-much still emerging -- we've only just begun to
> see the changes to information exchange amongst humans), we need to
> fundamentally re-think how we establish nomenclatural availability (at least
> for as long as we continue to use Linnean nomenclature).
> >
> > For 250 years, the practice of taxonomy has grown in a context where the
> primary mechanism of information exchange among humans was ink
> symbols affixed to "very thin slices of wood" (as Paul Kirk likes to say). For
> more than a hundred years, the Codes of nomenclature have been framed
> around that fundamental foundation (paper-printed works).  Now, and in the
> near-term future, the primary mechanism of information exchange is to
> transmit binary data encoded in standardized formats (UTF-8, JPEG, PDF,
> etc.) via the internet.  The Commission had to scramble to accommodate this
> rapid paradigm shift in the form of an Amendment to the Code, but that was
> really just a temporary band-aid.
> >
> > For the next edition of the Code, I sincerely hope we can fundamentally
> change the way in which new names are established and anchored to
> biological organisms. Specifically, rather than awkwardly try to force-fit our
> legacy system (ink-on-paper) into an electronic form (e.g., PDFs, with
> arbitrary and artificial "pages"), we should re-engineer the entire process in
> such a way that we EMBRACE the potential for electronic information
> exchange and management.  The simplest step in that direction is to de-
> couple the scientific notion of "Publication" from the legal process of
> nomenclatural availability.  In other words: "registered=available".
> >
> > The devil is in the details, of course -- and in this case, it's about what
> "registered" actually means.  I'm not talking about what ZooBank currently
> does.  I'm talking about a brave new approach that re-crafts the rules for
> nomenclatural availability into a form that can be translated into pure logical
> rules that computer algorithms can rigorously enforce.  If done right,
> Homonymy can be eliminated entirely, Synonymy can likely be reduced (and
> when it exists, much more easily managed), and we will NEVER AGAIN have
> to argue about what constitutes a "published work" in the sense of the Code.
> This is just the tip of the iceberg for how we can simultaneously improve
> nomenclatural stability AND increase access to information through
> embracing the electronic information paradigm, rather than futzing around
> the edges of it (as we do now).
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Roderic Page
> >> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:09 AM
> >> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> >> Cc: John Noyes
> >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary
> >> electronic versions of taxonomic papers
> >>
> >> Hopefully eBooks (similar to Kindle), HTML, XML will never be
> >> accepted as pubs under the Code because they are dynamic.
> >>
> >> And that, in a nutshell, is why some of us despair at the current
> >> state of taxonomy. Do we really wish that some of the more innovative
> >> means of publishing (never mind what will come in the future) are never
> accepted.
> >> Never, really?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Rod
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> Roderic Page
> >> Professor of Taxonomy
> >> Institute of Biodiversity, Animal Health and Comparative Medicine
> >> College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences Graham Kerr Building
> >> University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
> >>
> >> Email:
> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>
> >> Tel:  +44 141 330 4778
> >> Skype:  rdmpage
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> >> Citations:
> >> http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=4Z5WABAAAAAJ
> >> ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roderic_Page
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 Oct 2015, at 17:48, John Noyes
> >> <j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk<mailto:j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rod,
> >>
> >> What you are talking about here (E-books etc.) are not publications
> >> under the ICZN so they are not really relevant. We are only talking
> >> about e-pubs that are accepted under the current Code. Hopefully
> >> eBooks (similar to Kindle), HTML, XML will never be accepted as pubs
> >> under the Code because they are dynamic.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Noyes
> >> Scientific Associate
> >> Department of Life Sciences
> >> Natural History Museum
> >> Cromwell Road
> >> South Kensington
> >> London SW7 5BD
> >> UK
> >> jsn at nhm.ac.uk<mailto:jsn at nhm.ac.uk>
> >> Tel.: +44 (0) 207 942 5594
> >> Fax.: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
> >>
> >> Universal Chalcidoidea Database (everything you wanted to know about
> >> chalcidoids and more):
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> >>
> >> From: Roderic Page [mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: 16 October 2015 17:40
> >> To:
> >> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> Cc: Laurent Raty; John Noyes
> >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary
> >> electronic versions of taxonomic papers
> >>
> >> Isn’t part of the issue here that we are applying one notion of
> >> locating text (page number) to a situation where the notion of “page”
> >> may be fuzzy at best?
> >>
> >> Documents such as web pages or eBooks either don’t have pages, or the
> >> “page” may change depending on font size, device screen, etc.
> >>
> >> People who develop software to annotate web pages, eBook pages, etc.
> >> have multiple ways of locating bits of text, such as XPaths
> >> [fragments of the HTML or XML that may underly the document], text
> >> fragments before and after, number of characters into the document,
> >> etc. These work, as anyone highlighting text in the Kindle app or
> >> iBooks, or indeed Google Docs or Word will attest.
> >>
> >> The nature of “publication" has changed, so we need to embrace more
> >> general notions of location in documents. This is a problem others
> >> have faced, and solved.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Rod
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> Roderic Page
> >> Professor of Taxonomy
> >> Institute of Biodiversity, Animal Health and Comparative Medicine
> >> College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences Graham Kerr Building
> >> University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
> >>
> >> Email:
> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>
> >> Tel:  +44 141 330 4778
> >> Skype:  rdmpage
> >> Facebook:  http://www.facebook.com/rdmpage
> >> LinkedIn:  http://uk.linkedin.com/in/rdmpage
> >> Twitter:  http://twitter.com/rdmpage
> >> Blog:  http://iphylo.blogspot.com<http://iphylo.blogspot.com/>
> >> ORCID:  http://orcid.org/0000-0002-7101-9767
> >> Citations:
> >> http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=4Z5WABAAAAAJ
> >> ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roderic_Page
> >>
> >> On 16 Oct 2015, at 16:33, John Noyes
> >> <j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk<mailto:j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk>> wrote:
> >>
> >> The page number must definitely be fixed. Otherwise it might become a
> >> nightmare, or at best a confusing pain, to give a meaningful citation
> >> to a nomenclatural act in on-line or even hard copy
> >> databases/catalogues, especially where longer publications are
> >> concerned. That is the absolute crux of the matter. If the text and
> >> other associated details remain the same then I have absolutely no
> >> problem. It is the change in page number between early pubs and final
> pubs that makes all the difference!
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Noyes
> >> Scientific Associate
> >> Department of Life Sciences
> >> Natural History Museum
> >> Cromwell Road
> >> South Kensington
> >> London SW7 5BD
> >> UK
> >> jsn at nhm.ac.uk<mailto:jsn at nhm.ac.uk>
> >> Tel.: +44 (0) 207 942 5594
> >> Fax.: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
> >>
> >> Universal Chalcidoidea Database (everything you wanted to know about
> >> chalcidoids and more):
> >> www.nhm.ac.uk/chalcidoids<http://www.nhm.ac.uk/chalcidoids>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Laurent Raty
> >> Sent: 16 October 2015 16:21
> >> To:
> >> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary
> >> electronic versions of taxonomic papers
> >>
> >> On 10/16/2015 03:47 PM, Scott Thomson wrote:
> >>
> >> In response to Laurent. I agree there seems to be no real and
> >> absolute final version if you count the adding of #tags as a part of the
> document.
> >>
> >> Well, I think that, ideally, it should (have) be(en) possible for the
> >> user to assess the integrity of a work distributed electronically. If
> >> a publication had been defined as a given distributed file, with a
> >> fixed sequence of bytes, this would (have) be(en) fully
> >> straightforward--all it requires is that a checksum value be released
> >> together with the original work. This is fairly standard practice for other
> types of files distributed through the Internet.
> >> Assessing the integrity of a "content and layout", if the file is
> >> allowed to change, is at best a nightmare.
> >>
> >> OTOH, I'm not sure there's a real, deep, qualitative difference
> >> between allowing file alteration as a result of a change in a
> >> download date and ip address added to the footer, and allowing file
> >> alteration as a result of a change in a page number added to the header.
> >> Thus if you *must* allow the file to change, is it really worth the
> >> effort to require that the page numbers be fixed...?
> >>
> >> L -
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