[Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

Paul Kirk P.Kirk at kew.org
Sun Oct 18 20:17:46 CDT 2015


Ah, the Plant List ... :-)

Well, a different taxonomic point of view is the 'spice' of taxonomy (... variety is the spice of life) and there are systems which can model this, one being the GNUB (cue Rich). I guess all I'm saying is leave the names to nomenclators (e.g. IF), the taxonomy to checklists (e.g. SF, CoL, Eschmeyer's Catalogue of Fishes [couldn't resist correcting the English]) and store ID (local IDs, LSIDs, GUIDs) from these sources in your database.

Paul
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From: Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>
Sent: 19 October 2015 01:01
To: Paul Kirk
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

So far I have not done anything about synonymy and I know that it is a need.  Trouble is, I am drawing on floras from different countries so there is disagreement. What I want to do is set us a system for storing pages summarizing the reasons for adopting a particular treatment. In some cases all that would be needed would be citation of a paper. But what if there are genuinely different points of view? At least let's say that.  We are supposed to be about looking at evidence, not just copying. Besides, I have seen things in the plant list with which I strongly disagree.  I do not have any feelings re fungi.  But I do not see myself asking for separate lists for all the different groups. Users can work together and amend the nomenclatural relationships when they see it as necessary.  I would ask them to send a note to all partoicpants explain what change they are (or have) made. Not a long note. It will not impact the names on records, just what names are brought up in response to a query.

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To: Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>; Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>; Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

Hi Mary,

Might I suggest that what you should at a minimum be storing with respect to names is the local identifier from the 'specialists' who deal with names - i.e. the various nomenclators for the groups concerned. In the case of the fungi that would be Index Fungorum - and yes, I know you know that :-) ... which in this case has the advantage that it is tightly linked to Species Fungorum (a global checklist of the fungi and 'fungus-like' organisms). The distinct advantage here is that your specimen and observation records, perhaps under many different names that all apply to the same species (i.e. synonyms, both homotypic and heterotypic) can be aggregated by your users to carry out their analyses. Not to d so would clearly lead to erroneous results.

Paul

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Sent: 18 October 2015 20:37
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

The database that I am building is for development of a Symbiota-based network for sharing and displaying specimen and observation records for different taxa.  Yes, names and their authors could be connected to a publication database but that would be a very different emphasis, one best left to specialists in the areas involved.

Mary

From: Scott Thomson [mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:52 PM
To: Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
Cc: Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>; Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

Hi everyone,

I agree on this. I also build catalogs and databases and although not required I do add a field for the authors, in the databases I use it as a key field (not primary) which links to another database of the publications themselves. Hence I obtain a considerable amount of highly desirable information by including this. I wish more zoologists would include this data in a species name. I brought this up since you are building a database, if its relational, then its inclusion can be highly valuable by expanding the range of queries you can perform and hence the information you will have at your disposal from it.

Cheers, Scott

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org<mailto:Frank.Krell at dmns.org>> wrote:
While what Francisco says is highly desirable, according to the zoological Code, the author is not part of a scientific name. It is, however, customary and very useful to cite it. In the words of the Code Art. 51.1.: "The name of the author does not form part of the name of a taxon and its citation is optional, although customary and often advisable."
Also, the citation of authors of new combinations is possible, and I do it always in my catalogues (ICZN Rec. 51G). The Code gives the example Methiolopsis geniculatus (Stal, 1878) Rehn, 1957 While this gives additional information (which I highly appreciate), editors are generally opposed, mostly with the argument: "We are not botanists!!!"
Zoologists don't do this, because they don't do this. So you will find such information rarely.
The comma between author and year is optional indeed. It was mandatory in former Codes.
Cheers

Frank


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The page number is not part of a cited zoological name. Such a name consists of genus, species, author(s) and year. A comma between author and year is possible, but not mandatory.

I would not recommend to add initials to the surnames of authors in databases of zoological names. Initials have the effect that communication between various diffierent databases gets more difficult.

Francisco

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Hi Mary,

Let us assume your animal is a spider.  Usually, it is just the author's last name and year, occasionally the page, unless there are several authors with the same last name,  Here are some examples:

The original combination is Lycosa fumosa Emerton, 1894.

If you want to put in a bit more info, the page, then do it this way"
Lycosa fumoas Emerton, 1894: 421.

Since 1894, the specific epithet has been given to another genus name, transferred to a different family, then transferred back to the original family.

So, today it is is this:
Melocosa fumosa (Emerton, 1894).

Or, more completely,
Melocosa fumosa (Emerton, 1894:421).

Note that I have not put in the author's initials here.  They are "J.H." and they would be used in the REFERENCES, unless there are two or more authors with the same last name (e.g., Koch), in this case, the author's initials are used when citing the full name.

For example, two people who worked on spiders who had the same last name are L. Koch and C.L. Koch. Here is species described by one of them.

Original combination:
Theridion grossum Koch, 1838: 112.  As L. Koch did not come onto the scene until 1866, there was no confusion about which author, so no initial was used.

Emerton transferred this name to the genus Teutana in 1911, with the result:
Teutana grossa.

It has since been transferred to the genus Steatoda, and is presently:
Steatoda grossa (C.L. Koch, 1838: 112).

I hope this helps.  If there is still some confusion, please send me the paragraph you want to put the citation into. Also give a full citation for the animal - genus, specific epithet, author, year of publication, etc.

Robin



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Subject: [Taxacom] Citing Authors for Animals

I am a botanist but I need to import animals names with their appropriate authors to a database. I am using ITIS as a source. I really want to learn how to do this this weekend which is why I am asking here.
For this entry:
[TA]

169270

Penhallurick & C. R. Robson

2009

5


Should a label for this taxon read
Somescientificname Penhallurick & C. R. Robson 2009

Would this be the standard format? Do zoologists just omit the taxonauthor for ranks above species?
Also, do zoologists now have only one infraspecific rank, subspecies? If not, what does one do when one has a trinomial with no indication of what the lowest rank is supposed to be?

Mary
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