[Taxacom] resend Kingdom Protista (and Subkingdom Chromista)

Michael A. Ivie mivie at montana.edu
Fri Oct 30 11:19:15 CDT 2015


The Kinman System and its rules are published:
Kinman, K. E. 1994. The Kinman system: toward a stable cladisto-eclectic 
classification of organisms : living and extinct, 48 phyla, 269 classes, 
1,719 orders.  88 pages, self published.

On 10/30/2015 8:19 AM, John Grehan wrote:
> My impression is that the principal difference between Ken and Ruggiero et
> al is that the latter is published. Ken evidently chooses not to tot take
> that path. I have found that Ken's taxonimc and systematic arrangements are
> often an assertion of his personal view, or a 'consensus' or majority view
> that he accepts, but without the corresponding evidence. In the past I have
> found it a bit frustrating at the lack or absence of which
> he considers decisive evidence, but I get the impression that his more
> recent posts focus on new publications and how they might bear on his
> preferences. So I find these contributions sometimes useful, insightful, or
> interesting, regardless of how Ken chooses to apply that information to his
> classification system. I sometimes think that for me the classification as
> an end result is less interesting than how one arrives at that point.
>
> John Grehan
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Dan Lahr <dlahr at ib.usp.br> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> just to bring some data in,
>>
>> a bunch of people are interested in keeping all life classified.  Tom
>> Cavalier-Smith often updates his own classificaitons as well, but large
>> systems are published almost yearly by different people and these are
>> typically highly cited articles - this year saw Ruggiero et al.
>> classification out in PLoS One, a couple years ago the "consensus"
>> classification of Protists backed by the International Society of
>> Protistologists is published periodically (last one was 2012).
>>
>> textbooks, school teachers, and general public are continuously interested
>> in large classifications.  there are many advantages to indexing
>> everything.  on the research end the increasing use of molecular tools to
>> understand ecology of microorganisms depends heavily on classification, and
>> there are currently two very large global initiatives that are funded both
>> by ISoP and the Moore foundation to generate larger, dynamic
>> classifications with molecular referencing- these are UniEuk (still
>> embryonic) and EukRef (http://eukref.org/)
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> dan
>>
>>
>> __________________________________
>> Daniel J. G. Lahr
>> PhD, Assist. Prof.
>> Dept of Zoology, Univ. of Sao Paulo, Brazil
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>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/30/2015 7:52 AM, JF Mate wrote:
>>>
>>>> As long as the topic is taxonomic, the posts civilized and not
>>>> spamming, I donĀ“t see any problem.
>>>>
>>> * here's a related question: does any individual systematist other than
>>> Ken keep an updated classification of all life?
>>>
>>> fred.
>>> ===================================================
>>>
>>> On 29 October 2015 at 17:45, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Ken Kinman repeatedly references his own classification, called the
>>>>> Kinman
>>>>> System, and posts modifications of it.  Does anyone actually use this?
>>>>> In
>>>>> Web of Science, I find a 1994 reference, and a single citation of it in
>>>>> 20
>>>>> years.  Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/28/2015 8:46 PM, Kenneth Kinman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hotmail or Taxacom continues to make a mess posting my
>> classifications,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> I'll try just one more time.  This is my final attempt.           Hi
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>> Below I decided to show Kingdom Protista divided into Subkingdoms
>>>>>> Protozoa
>>>>>> and Chromista. I could also combine Phylum Chlorophyta and Kingdom
>>>>>> Metaphyta
>>>>>> into a Kingdom Viridiplantae if that consensus would be preferable
>> (but
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is a separate issue to be decided later). I am all for a consensus
>>>>>> classification, but I just don't think Ruggiero et al. was quite
>> enough
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> consensus for the protists (and the Kingdoms that evolved from them).
>>>>>> ---------------Ken P.S. It should be noted that the current version of
>>>>>> Chromista has become much broader than when Chromista was first
>> proposed
>>>>>> decades ago. So much so that I am somewhat reluctant to still call
>> this
>>>>>> Subkingdom Chromista (especially with the recent addition of
>> Rhizaria).
>>>>>> However, in view of Ruggiero et al.'s continued recognition of a full
>>>>>> Kingdom Chromista, they left me with little choice if a true consensus
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> be achieved. Anyway, just as there are probably better ways to
>> subdivide
>>>>>> Superkingdom Prokaryota (into Negibacteria and Posibacteria, rather
>> than
>>>>>> Eubacteria and Archaebacteria), there are also probably better ways to
>>>>>> subdivide Kingdom Protista. In each case, I guess I'll just have to
>> try
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> modify the consensus in two steps instead of one. Hopefully I'll live
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> enough to see that happen.       -----------------Ken Kinman
>>>>>> KINGDOM PROTISTA SUBKINGDOM PROTOZOA% 1   Euglenozoa  2A  Percolozoa
>> B
>>>>>> Loukozoa  C   Metamonada  3A  Amoebozoa  B  Breviatea  C  Apusozoa  D
>>>>>> Choanozoa%%             1A Cristidiscoidea             1B {{Fungi}}
>>>>>> 2 Ichthyosporea             ? Corallochytrea            3 Filasterea
>>>>>> 4 Choanoflagellatea             5 {{Animalia}}    _a_ {{Kingdom FUNGI
>>>>>> a.k.a.
>>>>>> EUMYCOTA}} (true fungi)   _b_ {{Kingdom ANIMALIA, a.k.a. METAZOA}}  4A
>>>>>> Glaucophyta  B  Rhodophyta  C  Chlorophyta%  _a_  {{Kingdom METAPHYTA,
>>>>>> a.k.a
>>>>>> PLANTAE sensu stricto}} (embryophytes)  5  {{Subkingdom Chromista}}
>>>>>> SUBKINGDOM CHROMISTA   1A  Cryptophyta   1B  Haptophyta   2
>> Rhizaria  3
>>>>>> Heterokonta (stramenopiles)  4  Ciliophora  5  Dinozoa (or
>> Dinophyta)  6
>>>>>> Sporozoa
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