[Taxacom] New feature in BioStor - BHL timelines for Taxonomic names

Donat Agosti agosti at amnh.org
Sat Dec 24 04:17:56 CST 2016


Rod

Again, you can have these suspicions and let it block the way we do science. This is your personal view which is not backed up by a legal background that you miss. There are a lot of signals from the legal world we get that are different from what you cite. You can continue playing along with the big players, eg CrossRef, Mendeley, Elsevier and accept that they do not really care about our admittedly small niche world. Rather, they build road blocks. We disagree and work towards a world we want, in fact need to operate efficiently. We did so at the begin of open access movement, and we are getting there now 15 years later. 

Your argumentation could not be better done by the publishers you refer to: Find each one possible reason to block moving into an open world, instead of looking at what actually speaks for openness, which are much stronger. This is exactly what they do to block open access, whilst we spend billions of dollar to do science and create the content they so efficiently try to sell us again with a hilarious profit. Luckily our funders don't share your view and request open access as part of science process, from the White House to Welcome Trust to national funding agencies.

Is it better to suspect that  there are somewhere figures of morphological feature in our publications, or be able to have them all in a searchable archive, such as BHL on Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=biodiversity%20heritage%20library%20aedeagus) or BLR at Zendo https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/search?page=1&size=20&q=aedeagus&file_type=png , where you can get them immediately, with all the citations included? This is what we envision, need and allows to make our science a first class citizen.
 
Clearly, there will be discussion and conflicts. But I rather have conflicts but then being mutilated by what we consider a misguided feeling that this is the best we can do.
 
Donat
  

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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New feature in BioStor - BHL timelines for Taxonomic names

Hi Paddy,

I wish I shared your optimism that copyright on images was an easy thing to get around, but the comments on the paper  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiorxiv.org%2Fcontent%2Fearly%2F2016%2F11%2F11%2F087015&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=u3NDbxh50kVxwMS6nnigaZfXdUrK888eC2VnSKNkl0g%3D&reserved=0 and on Twitter    https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstorify.com%2Frdmpage%2Fconversation-with-charlesoppenh-myrmoteras-rdmpage&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=itRh0xYIqqPvKFQleFWpxlBv7to48U6s8TnvCx8O0sY%3D&reserved=0 suggest otherwise, or that at the very least it's debatable. I suspect that if you extracted images from a large commercial publisher, and they noticed and felt this was a potential threat to their business model, then academic arguments about copyright would not be much protection. If that's a risk Plazi wants to take, fine. Others may be a little more wary.

Regards,

Rod

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On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 9:00 AM +0000, "David Patterson" <patterson.david.joseph at gmail.com<mailto:patterson.david.joseph at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi guys

Copyright is for taxonomists approximately as big an issue as the sky falling on Henny Penny's head.

The Plazi group has the benefit of good copyright legal input and with that we were able to make a list of information that cannot be subject to copyright (Patterson, D. J., Egloff, W., Agosti, D., Eades, D., Franz, N., Hagedorn, G., Rees, J. A. and Remsen, D. P. 2014. Scientific names of organisms: attribution, rights, and licensing BMC Research Notes 7:79 doi:10.1186/1756-0500-7-79 9pp) Here > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiorxiv.org%2Fcontent%2Fearly%2F2016%2F11%2F11%2F087015&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=u3NDbxh50kVxwMS6nnigaZfXdUrK888eC2VnSKNkl0g%3D&reserved=0, you will find the arguments extended to cover images.
Plazi is now contendly extracting treatments and images from taxonomic publications - example here https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftb.plazi.org%2FGgServer%2Fhtml%2FDD0FB428FFD2FFEAFF0609E34A3A4AC6&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=kRdQQHKNMGhZqzDuui1fQmKnRNdSM%2FBppKRHIepD74Y%3D&reserved=0
The point is that when a description of images follow a convention, then they cannot meet the legal requirements for a copyrightable work. There is no conflict with copyright to extract those elements of text that provide details of widely used traits, nor to extract the taxonomic treatment (and it follows that the nomenclatural acts can also be extracted), as can the images The concern is not copyright, but the business models of publishers that rely on charging folk for access to the information that they created, of institutions that argue they own content in the hope it will create a cash flow, and of individuals who confound effort with artistic creativity.
I am pleased to say things are going in a good direction and 2017 should be better than 2016.
David Patterson

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Roderic Page <Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi Mike,

Yes, copyright is an issue, but BHL is negotiating with lots of museums, Herbaria, and societies to get post-1923 content into BHL (e.g., the journal Zoologica https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiostor.org%2Fissn%2F0044-507X%2Fyear%2F1973&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=u46ys946I7UWqAJ6FAYiveFbjzvT7IW%2FcbduSpmH8iM%3D&reserved=0 )

Sadly Russia seems to be a black hole in terms of online availability of literature and specimens. I guess for BHL it would be a case of figuring out who could grant them permission to scan the relevant literature. The thing about "specialist interest" is that I think it's easy to underestimate the potential interest. Once content is online all sorts of things can happen, such as extracting images, exploring font styles, automatic translation training, etc.

BHL would be receptive to requests for scanning, especially if some of the initial work had been done figuring out who can give the OK to scan.

Regards ,

Rod

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Hi Rod

Thanks for the reply. I shall give your BioNames a try.

As for gaps in BHL, as you have said before it is the copyright gap that might be most significant. What appears to be happening though is that groups of taxonomists are scanning certain keys, and sometime rare literature, and making it available to each other in various ways. Examples are Russian works from the 60's which are barely available in the west. I may have the only copy in the UK of a Russian work on Auchenorrhyncha from 1966 of around 250 pages in which a lot of species are described (line drawings and Russian text). It would be good if such works can be more widely available- but would be of limited and specialist interest!

Best wishes

Mike

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Roderic Page <Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk><mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Hi Mike,

The results are entirely based on what has been scanned by BHL https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiodiversitylibrary.org&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=PrBJi%2B2D%2FygRNfGtgX42gszmqGIUHCTHxF3RU1r1c1w%3D&reserved=0  and processed by BioStor. BHL has lots of gaps, hence the results will, be incomplete. Another limitations that the OCR used to extract text from the page images may fail to correctly interpret the words in a page, missing some taxonomic names. It's a tool for discovery.

If you want more coverage, especially more recent papers, then my other literature project BioNames may help, e.g.http://bionames.org/timeline/Animalia/Arthropoda/Insecta/Hemiptera/Homoptera/Auchenorrhyncha/Cicadelloidea

If anyone working at a museum or involved in a scientific society is interested in helping fill in the gaps in BHL then agreeing to have your in-house journal, society publication, etc. scanned would be a very useful, contribution.

Sorry if I'm didn't make the limitations of the timeline tool clear.

Regards,

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Hi Rod

That looks interesting. I just tried Cicadellinae and the results were variable- but far from complete and nothing after 2010- yet at least 20 papers on new species of this leafhopper subfamily have been published.

Best wishes

Mike Wilson
National Museum of Wales

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Roderic Page <Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk><mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>>> wrote:
Dear All,

I've added a feature to BioStor that readers of this list might find useful. If you go tohttp://biostor.org/timeline.php<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiostor.org%2Ftimeline.php&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=Gk2hC%2FeNJg3SZfitXCPPcThrF4BZy%2F5Zh3lfq%2B67uMs%3D&reserved=0><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiostor.org%2Ftimeline.php%3Fq%3DRoncus&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=bAsllbjJwmNKp7fPo54AmORbYVGtXqRjzRkICdreYgI%3D&reserved=0> and enter a taxonomic name, BioStor will search BHL for that and and return a list of BHL pages and BioStor articles containing that name, and a chart showing the occurrence of the name overtime. For example seehttp://biostor.org/timeline.php?q=Roncus<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiostor.org%2Ftimeline.php%3Fq%3DRoncus&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=bAsllbjJwmNKp7fPo54AmORbYVGtXqRjzRkICdreYgI%3D&reserved=0>

For some background see https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fiphylo.blogspot.co.uk%2F2016%2F12%2Ftaxonomic-name-timelines-for-bhl.html&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C725ad00eeaf04d11b09e08d42be07724%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C1&sdata=HHoiAPKDHm07Pxru4f2hcunJT%2BDcJQqSLj0Y4QPxd0U%3D&reserved=0

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