[Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?

Alain Dubois adbionomina at gmail.com
Tue Jul 19 22:04:23 CDT 2016


Regarding Garsault's work, see also:

[373] Dubois, A., 2012 [30 March]. – The distinction between introduction
of a new nomen and subsequent use of a previously introduced nomen in
zoological nomenclature. *Bionomina*, *5*: 57-80.

[372] Dubois, A. & Bour, R., 2012 [5 March]. – Hyper-validation of five
nomina of amphibians and reptiles threatened by senior synonyms or
homonyms. *Zootaxa*, *3221*: 37-47.

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>    1. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?
>       (Tony Rees)
>    2. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?
>       (Stephen Thorpe)
>    3. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?
>       (Tony Rees)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:00 +1000
> From: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
> To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus
>         today?
> Message-ID:
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>
> Dear all,
>
> I found the following references on the web (which I have not yet
> investigated except for the third one) that may shed some more light on
> this, and appear to treat Garsault's names (or at least some of them) as
> available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut case:
>
>
> Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze, A. (2008) Les figures des plantes
> et animaux d’usage en médecine, a rare work published by F. A. P. de
> Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural History, 35 (1), 118–127.
>
> Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009) Nomenclatural consequences
> resulting from the rediscovery of Les figures des plantes et animaux
> d'usage en medicine, a rare work published by Garsault in 1764, in the
> zoological literature. Bulletin of zoological Nomenclature, 66 (3),
> 225–241.
>
> ALAIN DUBOIS & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The nomenclatural status of the nomina of
> amphibians and reptiles created by Garsault (1764), with a parsimonious
> solution to an old nomenclatural problem regarding the genus Bufo
> (Amphibia, Anura), comments on the taxonomy of this genus, and comments on
> some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa 2447: 1–52
>
> The last of these is available online at
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
>
> Further advice appreciated...
>
> Regards - Tony
>
>
>
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> https://about.me/TonyRees
>
> On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:
>
> > On 7/17/16 9:46 AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
> >
> >> From the description, clearly Caprimulgus europeaeus.
> >>
> >> But I completely fail to understand how Garsault can be regarded as
> >> remotely binominal.
> >> (His Latin names are clearly but Latin equivalents of his French names.
> >> None of them, be them uninominal or not, appears to denote a
> supraspecific
> >> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals denote, undoubtedly deliberately,
> >> the male and the female of the same species - Bos/Vacca, Hircus/Capra,
> >> Cervus/Cerva, Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier, hence are infrasubspecific and
> >> certainly not generic...)
> >>
> >> This certainly appears to be true, which raises the larger question as
> to
> > why AnimalBase is displaying these names at all, let alone displaying
> them
> > apparently without big red warning letters saying "NOT AN AVAILABLE NAME
> > (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > --
> > Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
> > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
> >              http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
> >   "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
> >         is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus
>         today?
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>
> Note also:
>
> 57.8. Exceptions.
>
> 57.8.1. Homonymy between identical species-group names in combination
> (originally or subsequently) with homonymous generic names having the same
> spelling but established for different nominal genera [Art. 53.2] is to be
> disregarded.
>
> Example. Noctua Linnaeus, 1758 (Insecta) and Noctua Gmelin, 1771 (Aves)
> are homonyms, but homonymy between variegata Jung, 1792 in Noctua (Insecta)
> and variegata Quoy & Gaimard, 1830 in Noctua (Aves) is disregarded.
>
> S
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 19/7/16, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?
>  To: "Doug Yanega" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
>  Cc: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016, 11:26 AM
>
>  Dear all,
>
>  I found the following
>  references on the web (which I have not yet
>  investigated except for the third one) that may
>  shed some more light on
>  this, and appear to
>  treat Garsault's names (or at least some of them) as
>  available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut
>  case:
>
>
>  Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze,
>  A. (2008) Les figures des plantes
>  et animaux
>  d’usage en médecine, a rare work published by F. A. P.
>  de
>  Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural
>  History, 35 (1), 118–127.
>
>  Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009)
>  Nomenclatural consequences
>  resulting from
>  the rediscovery of Les figures des plantes et animaux
>  d'usage en medicine, a rare work published
>  by Garsault in 1764, in the
>  zoological
>  literature. Bulletin of zoological Nomenclature, 66 (3),
>  225–241.
>
>  ALAIN DUBOIS
>  & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The nomenclatural status of the
>  nomina of
>  amphibians and reptiles created by
>  Garsault (1764), with a parsimonious
>  solution to an old nomenclatural problem
>  regarding the genus Bufo
>  (Amphibia, Anura),
>  comments on the taxonomy of this genus, and comments on
>  some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa
>  2447: 1–52
>
>  The last of
>  these is available online at
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
>
>  Further advice
>  appreciated...
>
>  Regards -
>  Tony
>
>
>
>  Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>  https://about.me/TonyRees
>
>  On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug
>  Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
>  wrote:
>
>  > On 7/17/16 9:46
>  AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
>  >
>  >> From the description, clearly
>  Caprimulgus europeaeus.
>  >>
>  >> But I completely fail to understand
>  how Garsault can be regarded as
>  >>
>  remotely binominal.
>  >> (His Latin
>  names are clearly but Latin equivalents of his French
>  names.
>  >> None of them, be them
>  uninominal or not, appears to denote a supraspecific
>  >> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals
>  denote, undoubtedly deliberately,
>  >>
>  the male and the female of the same species - Bos/Vacca,
>  Hircus/Capra,
>  >> Cervus/Cerva,
>  Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier, hence are infrasubspecific and
>  >> certainly not generic...)
>  >>
>  >> This
>  certainly appears to be true, which raises the larger
>  question as to
>  > why AnimalBase is
>  displaying these names at all, let alone displaying them
>  > apparently without big red warning letters
>  saying "NOT AN AVAILABLE NAME
>  >
>  (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
>  >
>  > Peace,
>  >
>  > --
>  > Doug Yanega
>    Dept. of Entomology       Entomology
>  Research Museum
>  > Univ. of California,
>  Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
>  > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer:
>  opinions are mine, not UCR's)
>  >
>            http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
>  >   "There are some
>  enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
>  >         is the true
>  method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
>  >
>  >
>  >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:10:06 +1000
> From: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
> To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus
>         today?
> Message-ID:
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>
> Also this: Welter-Schultes, F. W., and R. Klug. 2011. *Comments on new
> names and nomenclatural acts of amphibians and non-avian sauropsids
> established by Garsault 1764 and Laurenti 1768 (response to Dubois & Bour
> 2010)*. Zootaxa 2814: 50–58.
>
> - Tony
>
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> https://about.me/TonyRees
>
> On 19 July 2016 at 09:26, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I found the following references on the web (which I have not yet
> > investigated except for the third one) that may shed some more light on
> > this, and appear to treat Garsault's names (or at least some of them) as
> > available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut case:
> >
> >
> > Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze, A. (2008) Les figures des
> > plantes et animaux d’usage en médecine, a rare work published by F. A. P.
> > de Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural History, 35 (1), 118–127.
> >
> > Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009) Nomenclatural consequences
> > resulting from the rediscovery of Les figures des plantes et animaux
> > d'usage en medicine, a rare work published by Garsault in 1764, in the
> > zoological literature. Bulletin of zoological Nomenclature, 66 (3),
> 225–241.
> >
> > ALAIN DUBOIS & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The nomenclatural status of the nomina
> of
> > amphibians and reptiles created by Garsault (1764), with a parsimonious
> > solution to an old nomenclatural problem regarding the genus Bufo
> > (Amphibia, Anura), comments on the taxonomy of this genus, and comments
> on
> > some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa 2447: 1–52
> >
> > The last of these is available online at
> >
> >
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
> >
> > Further advice appreciated...
> >
> > Regards - Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> > https://about.me/TonyRees
> >
> > On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/17/16 9:46 AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
> >>
> >>> From the description, clearly Caprimulgus europeaeus.
> >>>
> >>> But I completely fail to understand how Garsault can be regarded as
> >>> remotely binominal.
> >>> (His Latin names are clearly but Latin equivalents of his French names.
> >>> None of them, be them uninominal or not, appears to denote a
> supraspecific
> >>> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals denote, undoubtedly
> deliberately,
> >>> the male and the female of the same species - Bos/Vacca, Hircus/Capra,
> >>> Cervus/Cerva, Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier, hence are infrasubspecific and
> >>> certainly not generic...)
> >>>
> >>> This certainly appears to be true, which raises the larger question as
> >> to why AnimalBase is displaying these names at all, let alone displaying
> >> them apparently without big red warning letters saying "NOT AN AVAILABLE
> >> NAME (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> >> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
> >> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
> >>              http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
> >>   "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
> >>         is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
> >>
> >>
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