[Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Tue Jul 19 22:55:14 CDT 2016


But note that many of Alain's ideas on zoological nomenclature are his alone ...

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 20/7/16, Alain Dubois <adbionomina at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua caprimulgus today?
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Wednesday, 20 July, 2016, 3:04 PM
 
 Regarding Garsault's work, see also:
 
 [373] Dubois, A., 2012 [30 March]. – The distinction
 between introduction
 of a new nomen and subsequent use of a previously introduced
 nomen in
 zoological nomenclature. *Bionomina*, *5*: 57-80.
 
 [372] Dubois, A. & Bour, R., 2012 [5 March]. –
 Hyper-validation of five
 nomina of amphibians and reptiles threatened by senior
 synonyms or
 homonyms. *Zootaxa*, *3221*: 37-47.
 
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 >    1. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
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 >       (Tony Rees)
 >    2. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
 caprimulgus today?
 >       (Stephen Thorpe)
 >    3. Re: What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
 caprimulgus today?
 >       (Tony Rees)
 >
 >
 >
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 >
 > Message: 1
 > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:26:00 +1000
 > From: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 > To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 > Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
 caprimulgus
 >         today?
 > Message-ID:
 >     
    <CABEjCKMzdF=Gn7rzQ7ibCHDtC9B9CgWS-wA=Ra7PBH9XNvY=
 > 7g at mail.gmail.com>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 >
 > Dear all,
 >
 > I found the following references on the web (which I
 have not yet
 > investigated except for the third one) that may shed
 some more light on
 > this, and appear to treat Garsault's names (or at least
 some of them) as
 > available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut case:
 >
 >
 > Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze, A. (2008)
 Les figures des plantes
 > et animaux d’usage en médecine, a rare work
 published by F. A. P. de
 > Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural History, 35 (1),
 118–127.
 >
 > Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009)
 Nomenclatural consequences
 > resulting from the rediscovery of Les figures des
 plantes et animaux
 > d'usage en medicine, a rare work published by Garsault
 in 1764, in the
 > zoological literature. Bulletin of zoological
 Nomenclature, 66 (3),
 > 225–241.
 >
 > ALAIN DUBOIS & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The nomenclatural
 status of the nomina of
 > amphibians and reptiles created by Garsault (1764),
 with a parsimonious
 > solution to an old nomenclatural problem regarding the
 genus Bufo
 > (Amphibia, Anura), comments on the taxonomy of this
 genus, and comments on
 > some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa 2447:
 1–52
 >
 > The last of these is available online at
 >
 > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
 >
 > Further advice appreciated...
 >
 > Regards - Tony
 >
 >
 >
 > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
 > https://about.me/TonyRees
 >
 > On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 wrote:
 >
 > > On 7/17/16 9:46 AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
 > >
 > >> From the description, clearly Caprimulgus
 europeaeus.
 > >>
 > >> But I completely fail to understand how
 Garsault can be regarded as
 > >> remotely binominal.
 > >> (His Latin names are clearly but Latin
 equivalents of his French names.
 > >> None of them, be them uninominal or not,
 appears to denote a
 > supraspecific
 > >> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals denote,
 undoubtedly deliberately,
 > >> the male and the female of the same species -
 Bos/Vacca, Hircus/Capra,
 > >> Cervus/Cerva, Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier, hence
 are infrasubspecific and
 > >> certainly not generic...)
 > >>
 > >> This certainly appears to be true, which
 raises the larger question as
 > to
 > > why AnimalBase is displaying these names at all,
 let alone displaying
 > them
 > > apparently without big red warning letters saying
 "NOT AN AVAILABLE NAME
 > > (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
 > >
 > > Peace,
 > >
 > > --
 > > Doug Yanega      Dept. of
 Entomology       Entomology
 Research Museum
 > > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA
 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
 > > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are
 mine, not UCR's)
 > >              http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 > >   "There are some enterprises in
 which a careful disorderliness
 > >         is the true
 method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
 > >
 > >
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 > ------------------------------
 >
 > Message: 2
 > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC)
 > From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 > To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>,
 Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 > Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
 caprimulgus
 >         today?
 > Message-ID:
 >         <466956061.1435956.1468885146948.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 >
 > Note also:
 >
 > 57.8. Exceptions.
 >
 > 57.8.1. Homonymy between identical species-group names
 in combination
 > (originally or subsequently) with homonymous generic
 names having the same
 > spelling but established for different nominal genera
 [Art. 53.2] is to be
 > disregarded.
 >
 > Example. Noctua Linnaeus, 1758 (Insecta) and Noctua
 Gmelin, 1771 (Aves)
 > are homonyms, but homonymy between variegata Jung, 1792
 in Noctua (Insecta)
 > and variegata Quoy & Gaimard, 1830 in Noctua (Aves)
 is disregarded.
 >
 > S
 >
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Tue, 19/7/16, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764)
 Noctua caprimulgus today?
 >  To: "Doug Yanega" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 >  Cc: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  Received: Tuesday, 19 July, 2016, 11:26 AM
 >
 >  Dear all,
 >
 >  I found the following
 >  references on the web (which I have not yet
 >  investigated except for the third one) that may
 >  shed some more light on
 >  this, and appear to
 >  treat Garsault's names (or at least some of them)
 as
 >  available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut
 >  case:
 >
 >
 >  Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze,
 >  A. (2008) Les figures des plantes
 >  et animaux
 >  d’usage en médecine, a rare work published by
 F. A. P.
 >  de
 >  Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural
 >  History, 35 (1), 118–127.
 >
 >  Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009)
 >  Nomenclatural consequences
 >  resulting from
 >  the rediscovery of Les figures des plantes et
 animaux
 >  d'usage en medicine, a rare work published
 >  by Garsault in 1764, in the
 >  zoological
 >  literature. Bulletin of zoological Nomenclature,
 66 (3),
 >  225–241.
 >
 >  ALAIN DUBOIS
 >  & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The nomenclatural status
 of the
 >  nomina of
 >  amphibians and reptiles created by
 >  Garsault (1764), with a parsimonious
 >  solution to an old nomenclatural problem
 >  regarding the genus Bufo
 >  (Amphibia, Anura),
 >  comments on the taxonomy of this genus, and
 comments on
 >  some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa
 >  2447: 1–52
 >
 >  The last of
 >  these is available online at
 >
 > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
 >
 >  Further advice
 >  appreciated...
 >
 >  Regards -
 >  Tony
 >
 >
 >
 >  Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
 >  https://about.me/TonyRees
 >
 >  On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug
 >  Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >  > On 7/17/16 9:46
 >  AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
 >  >
 >  >> From the description, clearly
 >  Caprimulgus europeaeus.
 >  >>
 >  >> But I completely fail to understand
 >  how Garsault can be regarded as
 >  >>
 >  remotely binominal.
 >  >> (His Latin
 >  names are clearly but Latin equivalents of his
 French
 >  names.
 >  >> None of them, be them
 >  uninominal or not, appears to denote a
 supraspecific
 >  >> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals
 >  denote, undoubtedly deliberately,
 >  >>
 >  the male and the female of the same species -
 Bos/Vacca,
 >  Hircus/Capra,
 >  >> Cervus/Cerva,
 >  Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier, hence are
 infrasubspecific and
 >  >> certainly not generic...)
 >  >>
 >  >> This
 >  certainly appears to be true, which raises the
 larger
 >  question as to
 >  > why AnimalBase is
 >  displaying these names at all, let alone
 displaying them
 >  > apparently without big red warning letters
 >  saying "NOT AN AVAILABLE NAME
 >  >
 >  (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
 >  >
 >  > Peace,
 >  >
 >  > --
 >  > Doug Yanega
 >    Dept. of Entomology   
    Entomology
 >  Research Museum
 >  > Univ. of California,
 >  Riverside, CA 92521-0314 
    skype: dyanega
 >  > phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer:
 >  opinions are mine, not UCR's)
 >  >
 >            http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 >  >   "There are some
 >  enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
 >  >         is the
 true
 >  method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
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 > ------------------------------
 >
 > Message: 3
 > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:10:06 +1000
 > From: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 > To: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 > Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] What is Garsault's (1764) Noctua
 caprimulgus
 >         today?
 > Message-ID:
 >     
    <CABEjCKMPa1w0XbGiJSU=V-1EXqPr6z4CgmnC=-
 > fqp3SRW+d0Gg at mail.gmail.com>
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 >
 > Also this: Welter-Schultes, F. W., and R. Klug. 2011.
 *Comments on new
 > names and nomenclatural acts of amphibians and
 non-avian sauropsids
 > established by Garsault 1764 and Laurenti 1768
 (response to Dubois & Bour
 > 2010)*. Zootaxa 2814: 50–58.
 >
 > - Tony
 >
 > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
 > https://about.me/TonyRees
 >
 > On 19 July 2016 at 09:26, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 > > Dear all,
 > >
 > > I found the following references on the web (which
 I have not yet
 > > investigated except for the third one) that may
 shed some more light on
 > > this, and appear to treat Garsault's names (or at
 least some of them) as
 > > available, so maybe it is not an open-and-shut
 case:
 > >
 > >
 > > Welter-Schultes, F. W., Klug, R. & Lutze, A.
 (2008) Les figures des
 > > plantes et animaux d’usage en médecine, a rare
 work published by F. A. P.
 > > de Garsault in 1764. Archives of natural History,
 35 (1), 118–127.
 > >
 > > Welter-Schultes, F. W. & Klug, R. (2009)
 Nomenclatural consequences
 > > resulting from the rediscovery of Les figures des
 plantes et animaux
 > > d'usage en medicine, a rare work published by
 Garsault in 1764, in the
 > > zoological literature. Bulletin of zoological
 Nomenclature, 66 (3),
 > 225–241.
 > >
 > > ALAIN DUBOIS & ROGER BOUR, 2010. The
 nomenclatural status of the nomina
 > of
 > > amphibians and reptiles created by Garsault
 (1764), with a parsimonious
 > > solution to an old nomenclatural problem regarding
 the genus Bufo
 > > (Amphibia, Anura), comments on the taxonomy of
 this genus, and comments
 > on
 > > some nomina created by Laurenti (1768). Zootaxa
 2447: 1–52
 > >
 > > The last of these is available online at
 > >
 > >
 > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain_Dubois/publication/283874107_The_nomenclatural_status_of_the_nomina_of_amphibians_and_reptiles_created_by_Garsault_1764_with_a_parsimonious_solution_to_an_old_nomenclatural_problem_regarding_the_genus_Bufo_Amphibia_Anura_comments/links/567a79ba08aeaa48fa4c3f4a.pdf
 > >
 > > Further advice appreciated...
 > >
 > > Regards - Tony
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
 > > https://about.me/TonyRees
 > >
 > > On 19 July 2016 at 01:39, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 wrote:
 > >
 > >> On 7/17/16 9:46 AM, Laurent Raty wrote:
 > >>
 > >>> From the description, clearly Caprimulgus
 europeaeus.
 > >>>
 > >>> But I completely fail to understand how
 Garsault can be regarded as
 > >>> remotely binominal.
 > >>> (His Latin names are clearly but Latin
 equivalents of his French names.
 > >>> None of them, be them uninominal or not,
 appears to denote a
 > supraspecific
 > >>> entity. Quite a few of his uninominals
 denote, undoubtedly
 > deliberately,
 > >>> the male and the female of the same
 species - Bos/Vacca, Hircus/Capra,
 > >>> Cervus/Cerva, Aries/Ovis, Homo/Mulier,
 hence are infrasubspecific and
 > >>> certainly not generic...)
 > >>>
 > >>> This certainly appears to be true, which
 raises the larger question as
 > >> to why AnimalBase is displaying these names at
 all, let alone displaying
 > >> them apparently without big red warning
 letters saying "NOT AN AVAILABLE
 > >> NAME (ICZN Art. 11.4)".
 > >>
 > >> Peace,
 > >>
 > >> --
 > >> Doug Yanega      Dept. of
 Entomology       Entomology
 Research Museum
 > >> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA
 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
 > >> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions
 are mine, not UCR's)
 > >>           
   http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 > >>   "There are some enterprises
 in which a careful disorderliness
 > >>         is the
 true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
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