[Taxacom] Possible early humans in New World

Kenneth Kinman kinman at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 27 15:57:06 CDT 2017

Hi all,

       I would not be at all surprised if parts of North America were colonized by small numbers of Homo erectus or Homo sapiens (like Denisovans or even Neandertals) over 100,000 years ago.  It could have happened numerous times, but the populations were always small and died out (perhaps due to inbreeding or perhaps no breeding at all if they were all male expeditions).  Or if on the west coast, a tsunami could surprise and pretty much decimate a coastal settlement (and removing all traces of their having been there at all).

      And even they did leave some tools around further inland, many such tools may have been found and reworked by later, more permanent colonizers.  If they came by boat, they would most likely stay near the coast or along rivers, not habitually living in caves where their remains might be more likely to be preserved).  If Homo habilis floresiensis hadn't lived in caves, would we have ever found their remains?  Probably not.


From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Possible early humans in New World

On 4/27/2017 12:41 PM, John Grehan wrote:
> Some of you may have seen the reports of evidence for humans in N America
> 100,000 or so years ago. Indications of butchering of mammoths. Of course
> such indirect evidence is always problematic. One critic felt that the
> Bering strait was too wide at that time (always the Bering strait as if no
> other option was available). Answer - boats, boats, boats. After all, what
> was good enough for Homo erectus (found at locations isolated by water) is
> good enough for H. sapiens (or whatever).

* riddle me this taxacomers - if people were in North America 130,000
years ago, where did they go? Did they have descendants in the
subsequent 117,000 years? Why did Clovis have descendants and these
hypothetical folks didn't? Is there another case of People showing up on
a continent and then disappearing?

Shawn Carlson wrote about this on facebook: "It's a great question. And
a very significant problem, I think. Modern humans radiated out of
Africa only about 100,000 years ago. That means that this other group
would have been alone in a land with lots of space and resources for
something like 100,000 years. They must have gone extinct a long time
ago or their artifacts would have accumulated. There are over 1 billion
stone tools in France because the land was continuously occupied for
over 90,000 years. If North America had been occupied for a similar
amount of time, farmers couldn't plow their fields without turning over
stone tools."

           Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
            Fragile Inheritance Natural History

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