[Taxacom] Literature request

Michael A. Ivie mivie at montana.edu
Thu Aug 31 18:20:27 CDT 2017


Dear Vinicius,

No, you have not understood me.  To me theft is wrong.  If there is a 
law against theft of biodiversity, to violate it is theft and is 
wrong.   If there is property that is not mine, and I take it, it is 
theft and it is wrong.  Theft of intellectual property is as wrong as 
theft of biodiversity or theft of a car. Downloading an open access 
paper is not theft, it is not wrong.  If your papers are open access, 
wonderful, thank you, and anyone who takes them are morally correct.  If 
you write a book, and it is for sale and covered by copyright, and 
someone makes a PDF and distributes it without your permission it is 
theft. This is really very simple.

Mike


On 8/31/2017 5:09 PM, Vinícius Antonio de Oliveira Dittrich wrote:
>
>    Dear Michael,
>
>    I think your point of view is not wrong, but is not right also. To 
> me, steal intellectual property of others is to publish anything that 
> is not mine, but I just put my name there as the author. Copying 
> anything else for personal use is not steal (the definition of piracy) 
> – BTW, I wish all my papers and books and everything else could be 
> copied by any person, without any cost: science is not something to 
> profit, just as education is not… but many will disagree, for obvious 
> reasons. Regarding specimens carried out from Brazil, for many and 
> many years this was the rule, and if we want to see those specimens, 
> we have to travel a lot and spend too much money for this, because 
> those specimens will never return to Brazil. So, your reasoning seems 
> to be: steal part of the biodiversity is OK, but copying a chapter of 
> a book no. Or maybe I've not understood what you wrote.
>
>    Best regard,
>
>    Vinícius
>
>
> 2017-08-31 19:30 GMT-03:00 Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu 
> <mailto:mivie at montana.edu>>:
>
>     I note your irony Geoff,
>
>     It always amazes me when people are so cavalier about simple
>     theft. I want it, I don't want to pay for it, he has it, I will
>     steal it.  Poor me. No moral compunction at all.
>
>     Particularly when a country is so fanatical about anyone stealing
>     their biodiversity specimens, but are completely OK with their
>     scientists stealing intellectual property of others.  Brazil is an
>     example, tons of stolen literature available there, but try taking
>     a beetle out without "paying" for it,  that means jail!  Just an
>     example, there are more countries like this than countries not
>     like this.  Some you can steal both specimens and books.
>
>     Grumpy Mike
>
>
>
>     On 8/31/2017 4:06 PM, Geoff Read wrote:
>
>         Well it's a modernish book in print available from the
>         publisher, or
>         secondhand for a small sum.
>
>         You mean perhaps where can you get a pirated pdf?
>
>         Try Google - a dodgy Russian site has it.
>
>         Geoff
>
>
>         On Fri, September 1, 2017 3:42 am, Luis POPA wrote:
>
>             Dear Taxacomers,
>             Does anyone know a place where I can find an electronic
>             version of the
>             book bellow? Actually I'm interested only in the chapter
>             on random
>             genetic drift (pages 88-98).
>
>             Hartl, D.L. 2000. A Primer of Population Genetics (3rd
>             ed.). Sinauer
>             Associates, Sunderland, MA
>
>             Thank you very much.
>             Best regards,
>             luis
>
>
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> Prof. Dr. Vinícius Antonio de Oliveira Dittrich
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Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.

NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers

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Marsh Labs, Room 50
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Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
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