[Taxacom] Literature request

Michael A. Ivie mivie at montana.edu
Thu Aug 31 18:30:08 CDT 2017


By the way Vinicius, this is not subject to your opinion, it is settled 
law in all civilized countries, including Brazil, which is a signatory 
of the Berne Convention, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention

Mike


On 8/31/2017 5:20 PM, Michael A. Ivie wrote:
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> Dear Vinicius,
>
> No, you have not understood me.  To me theft is wrong.  If there is a
> law against theft of biodiversity, to violate it is theft and is
> wrong.   If there is property that is not mine, and I take it, it is
> theft and it is wrong.  Theft of intellectual property is as wrong as
> theft of biodiversity or theft of a car. Downloading an open access
> paper is not theft, it is not wrong.  If your papers are open access,
> wonderful, thank you, and anyone who takes them are morally correct.  If
> you write a book, and it is for sale and covered by copyright, and
> someone makes a PDF and distributes it without your permission it is
> theft. This is really very simple.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 8/31/2017 5:09 PM, Vinícius Antonio de Oliveira Dittrich wrote:
>>
>>    Dear Michael,
>>
>>    I think your point of view is not wrong, but is not right also. To
>> me, steal intellectual property of others is to publish anything that
>> is not mine, but I just put my name there as the author. Copying
>> anything else for personal use is not steal (the definition of piracy)
>> – BTW, I wish all my papers and books and everything else could be
>> copied by any person, without any cost: science is not something to
>> profit, just as education is not… but many will disagree, for obvious
>> reasons. Regarding specimens carried out from Brazil, for many and
>> many years this was the rule, and if we want to see those specimens,
>> we have to travel a lot and spend too much money for this, because
>> those specimens will never return to Brazil. So, your reasoning seems
>> to be: steal part of the biodiversity is OK, but copying a chapter of
>> a book no. Or maybe I've not understood what you wrote.
>>
>>    Best regard,
>>
>>    Vinícius
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-31 19:30 GMT-03:00 Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu
>> <mailto:mivie at montana.edu>>:
>>
>>     I note your irony Geoff,
>>
>>     It always amazes me when people are so cavalier about simple
>>     theft. I want it, I don't want to pay for it, he has it, I will
>>     steal it.  Poor me. No moral compunction at all.
>>
>>     Particularly when a country is so fanatical about anyone stealing
>>     their biodiversity specimens, but are completely OK with their
>>     scientists stealing intellectual property of others.  Brazil is an
>>     example, tons of stolen literature available there, but try taking
>>     a beetle out without "paying" for it,  that means jail! Just an
>>     example, there are more countries like this than countries not
>>     like this.  Some you can steal both specimens and books.
>>
>>     Grumpy Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 8/31/2017 4:06 PM, Geoff Read wrote:
>>
>>         Well it's a modernish book in print available from the
>>         publisher, or
>>         secondhand for a small sum.
>>
>>         You mean perhaps where can you get a pirated pdf?
>>
>>         Try Google - a dodgy Russian site has it.
>>
>>         Geoff
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, September 1, 2017 3:42 am, Luis POPA wrote:
>>
>>             Dear Taxacomers,
>>             Does anyone know a place where I can find an electronic
>>             version of the
>>             book bellow? Actually I'm interested only in the chapter
>>             on random
>>             genetic drift (pages 88-98).
>>
>>             Hartl, D.L. 2000. A Primer of Population Genetics (3rd
>>             ed.). Sinauer
>>             Associates, Sunderland, MA
>>
>>             Thank you very much.
>>             Best regards,
>>             luis
>>
>>
>>             --
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>>             General Director
>>             "Grigore Antipa" National Museum of Natural History
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>>         Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
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>>     Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
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>> -- 
>> Prof. Dr. Vinícius Antonio de Oliveira Dittrich
>> Chefe do Departamento de Botânica - ICB - UFJF
>> Curador do Herbário CESJ
>> Instituto de Ciências Biológicas, Universidade Federal de Juiz de Fora
>> Rua José Lourenço Kelmer, s/n - Campus Universitário, Bairro São Pedro
>> Juiz de Fora, MG, Brazil - CEP 36036-900
>> Phone: 55 (32) 2102-3224
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>> Skype: vinacrt
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>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
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> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
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> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
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Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA

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Marsh Labs, Room 50
1911 West Lincoln Street
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