[Taxacom] Nomina subnuda

Paul Kirk P.Kirk at kew.org
Fri Feb 3 05:30:31 CST 2017


Application of names is determined by types, not descriptions or diagnoses wherever they ay or may not be published - fix the type, stabilize the name for 'real' users who care very little about authorship.


The other Paul

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From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Paul van Rijckevorsel <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
Sent: 03 February 2017 11:26
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomina subnuda

I agree with Ib Friis that this is uncomfortable.
Still, "Sédum à feuill. en croix" can be argued
to be a description in French: the other entries
on the same page are not all direct
translations into French. Also, none repeat this
same description, so, in its way, it is unique.

IPNI lists some two hundred names from this
publication (some marked as nomina nuda and
some are subsequent combinations, so the total
is less than that). In addtion, TL-II does not
contain any warning signs

So, this may well be sufficient for valid publication.

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ib Friis" <ibf at snm.ku.dk>
To: "Lorenzo Gallo" <lorenzogallo1959 at hotmail.it>;
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomina subnuda


> To draw the well defined lower line for what constitutes a description can
> be difficult, and this is almost certainly why the term is not specified
> in the Cope. From my time in the Nomencltural Committee for Vascular
> plants I remember many discussions. The is no exact parallel in the Code
> to your case, but under Art. 32 there is a voted example: "Ex.4. “Fumaria
> ×salmonii” (Druce, List Brit. Pl.: 4. 1908) is not validly published, as
> only the presumed parentage F. densiflora × F. officinalis is stated." I
> agree that some may think that there is more information in your case, but
> "Sédum à feuill. en croix" is just a translation of the Latin name, and as
> far as remember previous cases, the information that a plant is perennial
> has never been considered enough to make up a validating description.
>
> Good luck,
> Ib Friis
> ________________________________________
> From: Taxacom [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] on behalf of Lorenzo
> Gallo [lorenzogallo1959 at hotmail.it]
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: [Taxacom] Nomina subnuda
>
> Hi to all
>
> I have a problem with the name of a vascular plant: Sedum cruciatum Desf.
> (Tabl. Ecol. bot.: 162, 1804. See BHL at:
> http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/48715#page/174/mode/1up<http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/48715>).
> This name could be a "nomen subnudum" or a "nomen nudum". The only info
> given are:
>
> - Sedum cruciatum. [Latin name].
>
> - Sédum à feuill. en croix. [French name]
>
> - Perennial [Jupiter symbol]
>
> This name was subsequently published (in the right way) by DC. in the
> 1805.
>
> Is this name validly published under the Code or not ?
>
> The literature on this topic doesn't seem provide a univocal answer.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Lorenzo Gallo
>
>
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