[Taxacom] Literature request

Michael A. Ivie mivie at montana.edu
Fri Sep 1 09:17:13 CDT 2017


John,

My post was not about Luis, it was about all of us, myself included. How 
blithely we treat something that was once important.

Mike


On 9/1/2017 2:47 AM, John Noyes wrote:
> Come on guys do you really understand the situation here? Luis is probably working under conditions you would find extremely difficult, perhaps intolerable, especially access to literature. I suspect his salary is probably not more than 10-15% of that which you all receive. To buy a book such as this might cost him 25% of his monthly salary. Further to this, if he worked in a place where he had access to such literature he would definitely be legally allowed to copy the pages of the book that he requires.
>
> Yes, I am against theft too, but copying a small number of pages from a book is not theft, it is legally allowed under copyright laws in most countries.
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> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Luis POPA
> Sent: 01 September 2017 08:39
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Literature request
>
> I just needed to read several pages from a book which is not available to me at the moment and I cannot wait until I could buy it...
> luis
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> On 01.09.2017 03:50, Neal Evenhuis wrote:
>> The dare to troll the lowest dregs has been received. Diving down into
>> those dregs now …
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>> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 2:33 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Literature request
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>> On 8/31/2017 8:13 PM, Michael A. Ivie wrote:
>>
>> Sure it is theft If it belongs to
>> someone else, and you don't have their permission to take it, and you
>> take it anyway, it is theft.  Very, very simple, a 5 year old can
>> handle this.  And, selling something for an outrageous amount is not
>> theft, com'on Stephen!
>>
>> * the problem here is a very complete conflict of interest in the
>> handlers of the same text. For the scientific author (except, in some
>> cases, perhaps some of us with no institutional income, or some NGOs)
>> 'profit' (status and success) come from the widest and fastest
>> possible distribution of the work at the minimum possible cost, while
>> for a commercial publisher success in handling the work comes in the
>> form of maximum monetary profit from sales of copies - even pdf copies
>> which cost nothing to produce but are offered at $35/day.
>>
>> Many commercial publishers are so antithetical to the goals of the
>> science they publish that one would need to troll the lowest dregs of
>> shakespearian epithets to find words fit to describe them.
>>
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