[Taxacom] property is theft... or something

Luis POPA popaluis at antipa.ro
Mon Sep 4 03:52:22 CDT 2017


I didn't take it personally.
I saw it as a pretext to discuss issues about intellectual property.
Personally I very much like the position expressed by Doug, not because 
is convenient to myself, but because I think the availability of 
knowledge is the only way to make advancement in the field. And I 
believe that in science everything should be available to everybody, to 
keep us from re-inventing the wheel...
Another point here is that when you work as a professional, it comes 
(many times) that you just need to check an information and it is not 
practical, not even healthy for the planet, to go buy a book for that. 
Then you ask your peers, because likely they might have that 
information. At least this is my view...
Best,
luis

Luis Popa, Ph.D.
Senior Scientist
General Director
"Grigore Antipa" National Museum of Natural History
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On 02.09.2017 00:12, Francisco Welter-Schultes wrote:
> Theft in the classical sense is stealing something and taking it away 
> so that the owner cannot use it any more. This is a 100 % lost of 
> property. Providing electronic image copies of a copyrighted book is 
> not allowed, but theft is the incorrect and inappropriate expression 
> because the owner of the book still owns it and can continue working 
> with it, selling it. Maybe some people who would buy a book would not 
> buy it if they get the electronic file. So there might be a lost of 
> opportunities of property usage, much lower than the 100 % lost in the 
> case of a theft.
>
> A public library that offers scientists and students to make xerox 
> (printed image) copies of books is traditionally allowed to do so. The 
> producers of books have always accepted that because that lost of 
> property usage opportunity turned out to be unmeasurably low.
>
> Just like Doug I authored a scientific book, it is continuously sold 
> and I make money with it. It contains 2200 descriptions and pictures 
> of terrestrial molluscs. All the descriptions and all the pictures are 
> online and anyone who has no money can work with that information, 
> download it and be happy, upload pictures to Wikipedia or whatever 
> they like. I never made the experience that the sale rates of the book 
> are affected. In the contrary, providing free online content is a 
> cheap advertisement for the book, more people get to know it and some 
> suddenly buy it because they prefer to have that content in a printed 
> form. I tried it out and it worked, but I am certainly not the first 
> to have made such positive experiences.
>
> Francisco
>
> Am 01.09.2017 um 19:34 schrieb Tim Dickinson:
>> C'mon guys, follow up on Doug Yanega's point and give Luis Popa a 
>> break! Scan the chapter he needs. Luis, I have a couple of the Hartl 
>> books and, in retirement no longer need them. Know anybody travelling 
>> back to your place from Canada (and please god let the transmission 
>> of printed matter to individuals there not be so obscenely baroque as 
>> it is w/ Russia!)? w/ all due respect, I think we've all made scans 
>> or p'copies of stuff we use in our work.
>>
>> But you all prove why i love taxacom (most of the time).
>>
>> Now can you please chop off all the preceding stuff from your posts???
>>
>> cheers, ---tad.
>>
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