[Taxacom] Taxacom Digest, Vol 137, Issue 10

Alain Dubois adbionomina at gmail.com
Thu Sep 14 12:06:08 CDT 2017


Note that, while Taxacom is wide open to trolls' talks, as we all know, it
practices censorship against other contributors: my last two messages
concerning Dumerilia volume 7 were not forwarded to the forum, and I did
not receive any explanation for this.

Alain

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Professeur Émérite Alain Dubois
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Institut Systématique, Evolution, Biodiversité (ISYEB) - UMR 7205
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modestie d’opinion, la patience d’ignorer, la certitude qu’on n’a jamais
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charlatans, c’est révérer le génie mais sans en faire une idole, c’est
toujours préférer ce qui est à ce qu’on préférerait qui fût.”
(Jean Rostand, Le droit d’être naturaliste, 1963).
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2017-09-14 19:00 GMT+02:00 <taxacom-request at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:

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>    1. Re: "A Few Bad Scientists Are Threatening to Topple
>       Taxonomy": more political nonsense (Stephen Thorpe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:15:49 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,  Bevan
>         Weir <WeirB at landcareresearch.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] "A Few Bad Scientists Are Threatening to Topple
>         Taxonomy": more political nonsense
> Message-ID: <58519757.1498879.1505337349068 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Do I detect a note of sarcasm in Bevan's use of positive spin language,
> i.e. "applaud", "entertaining"? Just to reiterate my view, I think that
> Hoser acts deplorably in many ways. The question is whether anyone has the
> right to stop him (assuming he is within the law), and what REALLY annoys
> me is the nonsense that gets written to try to invalidate his new taxon
> names (which is a quite different issue to Hoser's "political" rants),
> nonsense that all too often deliberately misrepresents the scientific and
> nomenclatural facts. Incidentally, what I though Bevan might be about to
> say is that the article "A Few Bad Scientists Are Threatening to Topple
> Taxonomy", is scoped explicitly to cover all taxonomy, but all actual
> discussion is only about zoology. Bevan: are there any known "taxonomic
> vandals" in botany and/or mycology?
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 13/9/17, Bevan Weir <WeirB at landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] "A Few Bad Scientists Are Threatening to Topple
> Taxonomy": more political nonsense
>  To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Wednesday, 13 September, 2017, 6:00 PM
>
>  I don’t know anything about
>  Herpetology to comment on the taxonomy, but I do applaud
>  Hoser for the most entertaining etymology notes I have ever
>  read, e.g.: for BOIGA MICKPITMANI SP. NOV.
>
>  "A police-protected
>  criminal and shrewd businessman, Steve Irwin cultivated a
>  close relationship with corrupt government officials who
>  acted as his paid thugs to repeatedly engage in illegal
>  armed raids of Pitman’s home and business in order to shut
>  him down."
>
>  And so on
>  for another 20 paragraphs...
>  http://www.smuggled.com/issue-35-pages-33-42.pdf
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
>  Sent: Tuesday,
>  12 September 2017 8:46 a.m.
>  To: Raymond
>  Hoser - The Snakeman
>  Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] "A Few Bad
>  Scientists Are Threatening to Topple Taxonomy": more
>  political nonsense
>
>  Hey
>  Ray,
>
>  Why not try writing in
>  a polite tone for once? You can basically make all the same
>  points, but you won't alienate your audience so much.
>  Such alienation is counterproductive to your goals.
>
>  Anyway, I would just like to
>  agree with you in general about comment blogs. It is common
>  for a blog author to act as comments moderator. Often, this
>  results in them blocking any comments which disagree or
>  criticise their stated view/opinion in any way, and only let
>  through what they agree with. The only thing that we can do
>  is to be aware of this problem, and recognise that blog
>  comments may be highly biased, and that alternative view
>  holders may have been blocked from commenting.
>
>  Stephen
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Mon, 11/9/17, Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman
>  <viper007 at live.com.au>
>  wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re:
>  [Taxacom] "A Few Bad Scientists Are Threatening to
>  Topple Taxonomy": more political nonsense
>   To: "iczn-list at afriherp.org"
>  <iczn-list at afriherp.org>
>   Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
>  <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>   Received: Monday, 11 September, 2017, 5:32
>  PM
>
>
>
>   Dear all,
>
>   I
>  also seem to have been blocked from the thread as well.
>
>   The latest "Hoser
>  bashing" article is more toxic  that uninformed people
>  may realise.
>   There are stack of obvious
>  factual defects, including  that claim that I, Hoser
>  petitioned the ICZN in 2009 to  rename a genus of
>  rattlesnake and was REFUSED.
>
>   No such petition happened and so the claim
>  MUST be false.
>
>   The link
>  "substantiating" the claim is to a Wuster
>  controlled webpage telling people not to use the Hoser
>  genus  name Hoserea Hoser, 2009 and nothing more.
>
>   It is the same circular
>  self-citing crap that the Wuster  team have become quite
>  expert at and using to peddle their  ISIS-like brand of
>  lies and hatred.
>
>
>  Thankfully Wuster is neither the ICZN or the majority of
>  herpetologists!
>
>   As for his
>  "majority view", lie, this is well  perpetuated
>  by the author of the latest rant, by REFUSING to  speak
>  with the less vocal majority or even the vocal ones in  the
>  group, for some balance in all this.
>
>   All we get are the same misleading quotes from
>  Wuster,  Kaiser and the usual suspects.
>
>   In terms of comments at the end of the
>  (obviously NOT peer
>   reviewed) blog piece,
>  several people I know have tried to  post correcting
>  comments on the blog and they have all been  stopped by the
>  moderator, while rubbish comments are put  through.
>
>   And finally, in terms of
>  taxonomic vandalism, we need a  quick reality check.
>
>   Myself (Hoser) has never
>  tried to rename anything .... it is  all new taxa.
>
>   Not one single piece of
>  "taxonomic vandalism"!
>
>   By contrast Wuster and his gang had at last
>  count illegally  renamed no less than 41 species, genera
>  and family (yes we  are talking known objective junior
>  synonyms) of many authors  (not just I) and then improperly
>  tried to get everyone else  to use the wrong
>    names.
>   As for alleged
>  majority support, this seems to fade when  one looks at
>  books, when pretty much all of them use the  correct (non
>  Wuster gang) names.
>   All the best
>   Raymond Hoser
>
>
>
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