[Taxacom] Taxacom Digest, Vol 137, Issue 13

Alain Dubois adbionomina at gmail.com
Mon Sep 18 15:37:15 CDT 2017


Dear all,

Note that after 1930, to be avqailable a new genus nomen must be
accompanied by the fixation of a type species in the original publication
(Article 13.3). So if after 1930 a new genus nomen is introduced without
designation of an available nomen as type species, this genus nomen is not
available itself, and xwill remain so forever. Therefore it is irrelevant
and pointless to subsequently designate a type species for it.

Best wishes,

Alain

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Institut Systématique, Evolution, Biodiversité (ISYEB) - UMR 7205
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“La culture ce n’est pas avoir le cerveau farci de dates, de noms ou de
chiffres, c’est la qualité du jugement, l’exigence logique, l’appétit de la
preuve, la notion de la complexité des choses et de l’arduité des
problèmes. C’est l’habitude du doute, le discernement dans la méfiance, la
modestie d’opinion, la patience d’ignorer, la certitude qu’on n’a jamais
tout le vrai en partage; c’est avoir l’esprit ferme sans l’avoir rigide,
c’est être armé contre le flou et aussi contre la fausse précision, c’est
refuser tous les fanatismes et jusqu’à ceux qui s’autorisent de la raison;
c’est suspecter les dogmatismes officiels mais sans profit pour les
charlatans, c’est révérer le génie mais sans en faire une idole, c’est
toujours préférer ce qui est à ce qu’on préférerait qui fût.”
(Jean Rostand, Le droit d’être naturaliste, 1963).
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>    1. Question about nomina nuda as type species (Guilherme Garbino)
>    2. Re: Question about nomina nuda as type species (Stephen Thorpe)
>    3. Re: Question about nomina nuda as type species (Guilherme Garbino)
>    4. Re: Question about nomina nuda as type species (igor pavlinov)
>    5. Re: Question about nomina nuda as type species (Laurent Raty)
>    6. Re: Question about nomina nuda as type species (Doug Yanega)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 22:44:41 -0300
> From: Guilherme Garbino <gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have a short question on nomina nuda as type species.
>
> If a subsequent author chose as type species of a genus a nomen nudum, can
> another author invalidate this selection and chosse a valid taxon instead?
> He could have chosen a valid name but chose the nomen nudum following the
> recommendation to choose the first species in the list under the genus.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 01:56:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, Guilherme Garbino
>         <gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
> Message-ID: <1689584749.3852617.1505699805740 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Assuming that we are talking ZOOLOGICAL nomenclature, a type species
> cannot be a nomen nudum, so in such cases, there is no type species as yet
> validly designated.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 18/9/17, Guilherme Garbino <gstgarbino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  Received: Monday, 18 September, 2017, 1:44 PM
>
>  Dear colleagues,
>
>  I have a short question on nomina nuda
>  as type species.
>
>  If a subsequent author chose as type
>  species of a genus a nomen nudum, can
>  another author invalidate this
>  selection and chosse a valid taxon instead?
>  He could have chosen a valid name but
>  chose the nomen nudum following the
>  recommendation to choose the first
>  species in the list under the genus.
>
>  Thanks!
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:33:42 -0300
> From: Guilherme Garbino <gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> Thank you for the answers.
>
> Stephen, thank you for your clarirfication. Yes, I am talking about
> ZOOLOGICAL nomenclature. But could not find this specific case in the Code.
> I agree with you that the type designation in this case cannot be sustained
> and a new type species must be selected.
>
> David, thanks for the link. It however does not contemplate the situation
> where a nomen nudum is selected at type for a genus.
>
> All the best,
>
> 2017-09-18 6:31 GMT-03:00 David Patterson <patterson.david.joseph at gmail.
> com>
> :
>
> > see
> >
> > http://iczn.org/content/what-nomen-nudum
> >
> > David
> >
> > David J. Patterson
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Guilherme Garbino <
> gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dear colleagues,
> >>
> >> I have a short question on nomina nuda as type species.
> >>
> >> If a subsequent author chose as type species of a genus a nomen nudum,
> can
> >> another author invalidate this selection and chosse a valid taxon
> instead?
> >> He could have chosen a valid name but chose the nomen nudum following
> the
> >> recommendation to choose the first species in the list under the genus.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Nurturing Nuance while Assaulting Ambiguity for 30 Some Years,
> 1987-2017.
> >>
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:54:22 +0300
> From: igor pavlinov <ipvl2008 at mail.ru>
> To: Guilherme Garbino <gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
> Message-ID: <1505735662.334526041 at f420.i.mail.ru>
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>
> Concerning valid type species fixation for the genus-group taxon, please
> consult Art.  67.2.1. In the meaning of the Code the "originally included
> nominal species" comprise only those included in the newly established
> nominal genus or subgenus, having been  cited in the original publication
> by  an available name (including citation by an incorrect spelling [ Art.
> 67.6 ]) of a species or subspecies (see Articles  45.6  and  68.2 ), or
> having been cited there as the deliberate application of a previous
> misidentification (see Articles  11.10 ,  67.13  and  69.2.4 ).
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted-sites/iczn/code/?article=31
>
> So, if a species is designated by unavailable name, and this name is cited
> in the original publication of a new genus, it cannot be used as a type to
> define this genus genus.
>
> IP
> - - -
> Igor Ya. Pavlinov, DrS
> Zoological Museum of Lomonosov Moscow State University
> ul. Bol'shaya Nikitskaya 6
> 125009 Moscow
> Russia
> http://zmmu.msu.ru/personal/pavlinov/pavlinov_eng1.htm
>
> >Понедельник, 18 сентября 2017, 14:33 +03:00 от Guilherme Garbino <
> gstgarbino at gmail.com>:
> >
> >Dear colleagues,
> >
> >Thank you for the answers.
> >
> >Stephen, thank you for your clarirfication. Yes, I am talking about
> >ZOOLOGICAL nomenclature. But could not find this specific case in the
> Code.
> >I agree with you that the type designation in this case cannot be
> sustained
> >and a new type species must be selected.
> >
> >David, thanks for the link. It however does not contemplate the situation
> >where a nomen nudum is selected at type for a genus.
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >2017-09-18 6:31 GMT-03:00 David Patterson < patterson.david.joseph at gmail.
> com >
> >:
> >
> >> see
> >>
> >>  http://iczn.org/content/what-nomen-nudum
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> David J. Patterson
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Guilherme Garbino <
> gstgarbino at gmail.com >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear colleagues,
> >>>
> >>> I have a short question on nomina nuda as type species.
> >>>
> >>> If a subsequent author chose as type species of a genus a nomen nudum,
> can
> >>> another author invalidate this selection and chosse a valid taxon
> instead?
> >>> He could have chosen a valid name but chose the nomen nudum following
> the
> >>> recommendation to choose the first species in the list under the genus.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Taxacom Mailing List
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> >>> Nurturing Nuance while Assaulting Ambiguity for 30 Some Years,
> 1987-2017.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:40:27 +0200
> From: Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be>
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
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> Well, it stems more or less directly from the nature of type species as
> defined in the Code:
> - 67.1: "The name-bearing type of a nominal genus or subgenus is a
> nominal species".
> - Glossary: "nominal taxon - A concept of a taxon which is denoted by an
> available name [...]".
> ...and from the definition of "nomen nudum":
> - Glossary: "a name that, if published before 1931, fails to conform to
> Article 12; or, if published after 1930, fails to conform to Article 13.
> A nomen nudum is not an available name [...]".
>
> Something denoted by a nomen nudum is not (as per the definition of that
> term) denoted by an available name, thus cannot (as per the definition
> of that term) be a nominal species, thus is not (as per 67.1) of a
> nature compatible with being a type species.
>
> Perhaps you could explain what made the name a nomen nudum in your case?
>
> Cheers, Laurent -
>
>
>
> On 09/18/2017 01:33 PM, Guilherme Garbino wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > Thank you for the answers.
> >
> > Stephen, thank you for your clarirfication. Yes, I am talking about
> > ZOOLOGICAL nomenclature. But could not find this specific case in the
> Code.
> > I agree with you that the type designation in this case cannot be
> sustained
> > and a new type species must be selected.
> >
> > David, thanks for the link. It however does not contemplate the situation
> > where a nomen nudum is selected at type for a genus.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > 2017-09-18 6:31 GMT-03:00 David Patterson <patterson.david.joseph at gmail.
> com>
> > :
> >
> >> see
> >>
> >> http://iczn.org/content/what-nomen-nudum
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> David J. Patterson
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Guilherme Garbino <
> gstgarbino at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear colleagues,
> >>>
> >>> I have a short question on nomina nuda as type species.
> >>>
> >>> If a subsequent author chose as type species of a genus a nomen nudum,
> can
> >>> another author invalidate this selection and chosse a valid taxon
> instead?
> >>> He could have chosen a valid name but chose the nomen nudum following
> the
> >>> recommendation to choose the first species in the list under the genus.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Taxacom Mailing List
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> >>>
> >>> Nurturing Nuance while Assaulting Ambiguity for 30 Some Years,
> 1987-2017.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> > Nurturing Nuance while Assaulting Ambiguity for 30 Some Years, 1987-2017.
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:46:51 -0700
> From: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about nomina nuda as type species
> Message-ID: <10083b1e-609d-d618-fb4f-2d7e914b1bf2 at ucr.edu>
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> As noted by Laurent, only available names are eligible to be designated
> as type species. In this case, unless a later author came along and made
> a valid type species designation, the genus in question still has no
> type species. Hopefully you have a thorough enough knowledge of the
> literature to be quite certain whether or not this has happened. If not,
> then you are free to designate one from among the originally included
> species yourself.
>
> Peace,
>
> --
> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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