[Taxacom] "Felder & Rogenhofer 1874"

Francisco Welter-Schultes fwelter at gwdg.de
Sun Sep 24 16:38:16 CDT 2017


The dates of such works are not the problem. It is possible to research 
them. You are right, it is additional work, but I have no problem with 
it. The most important thing is a clear and stable rule.

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Francisco

Am 24.09.2017 um 23:21 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
> This is precisely the sort of nomenclatural nonsense which gives taxonomy a bad name! For God's sake, why not just have a simple rule in the Code which says that illustrations published before the text are deemed to be published simultaneously with the text? It would save so much pointless work trying to determine dates. Such work has absolutely no scientific content or merit.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 23/9/17, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:
> 
>   Subject: [Taxacom] "Felder & Rogenhofer 1874"
>   To: "iczn-list" <iczn-list at afriherp.org>, "taxacom" <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>
>   Received: Saturday, 23 September, 2017, 4:44 AM
>   
>   Hi. Can anyone give a definitive statement
>   regarding the work linked here:
>   
>   http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/1221095#page/9/mode/1up
>   
>   Here is the situation: this particular
>   work, as linked here from the
>   Smithsonian's copy, LOOKS like a single
>   work, and the second page says
>   "Juli 1875". However, if you look at
>   the plates at the end, they all
>   have a date at the bottom that says
>   1868. There are some names that
>   appear differently in the text and
>   plates, so potentially made available
>   on different dates if they were *not*
>   simultaneously issued. This
>   potentially affects the validity of at
>   least one genus name presently in
>   use, so I would like to be certain I
>   have the details correct.
>   
>   Neave, in the Nomenclator Zoologicus,
>   cites names in the plates as being
>   from 1868, and names in the text as
>   being from 1874.
>   
>   References to this work in the NHM
>   Catalog at
>   
>   http://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/data/butmoth/
>   
>   cite the names appearing in the plates
>   as being from 1874 and the text
>   as being from 1875 (despite both being
>   linked to the BHL copy which has
>   them in a single work).
>   
>   I have not yet been able to locate any
>   source that explains (1) what
>   *evidence* there is that the plates and
>   text were published separately,
>   nor (2) how and why one of the dates is
>   usually given as 1874, nor (3)
>   why the dates of the presumed separate
>   parts are given inconsistently by
>   different sources. It also strikes me
>   as odd that the work seems
>   *uniformly* cited as "Felder &
>   Rogenhofer" when the text rather clearly
>   lists TWO Felders, Cajetan and Rudolf
>   (shouldn't it then be Felder,
>   Felder & Rogenhofer?).
>   
>   This is very confusing, to say the
>   least, and I would be grateful if
>   anyone can point to something that
>   would help iron this out.
>   
>   Peace,
>   
>   --
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