[Taxacom] Questions about availability of a species name

Robert Louis Zuparko rz at berkeley.edu
Fri Aug 24 13:54:11 CDT 2018


I think the one additional thing you can do is to track down that holotype
and make dam' sure it is indeed at Hunan Agricultural University - (do I
remember correctly that in one of the earlier messages on this subject
someone mentioned they couldn't find, or at least didn't see, the
specimen?).

-Bob

Robert Zuparko
Essig Museum of Entomology
1101 Valley Life Sciences Building, #4780
University of California
Berkeley, CA 94720-3112
(510) 643-0804


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Fernandez, Jose <Jose.Fernandez at agr.gc.ca>
wrote:

> Hi everyone (one last time),
>
> Thank you very much for all of the replies you sent about my questions. I
> appreciate all of your comments and advice, even those comments which I do
> not agree with.
>
> I also wanted to add that I was not planning at any time to ignore the
> ICZN. As much as I could/will disagree with some articles (or the writing
> of such articles), or as much as I think sometimes "taxa-laws" oppose to
> common sense, I also believe that a checklist is not a place to embark into
> a fight against such articles. My main intention is that the checklist can
> be used (if it would have enough merit, of course) for those needing that
> list of braconid species. I do not want any distraction (in the sense that
> such list would be quoted as "not following articles X and Y of the newest
> version of the ICZN"). That is why I asked here, to check that the best
> alternative at present would be used. Thus, for that name in question I
> will be listing it along with many other unavailable names, following the
> Code. I will do my best to contact the Chinese colleagues and will pass
> them the info needed to make that name available (but I am not personally
> taking any steps to fix that problem, other than adding a note under that
> name to present the current situation -for that name and for others that
> are in a similar situation).
>
> I will also add in the Acknowledgements a reference to the Taxacom and
> Parahym  list servers to acknowledge the help and input received from
> members of such lists (and, of course, I will make clear that any error
> found in the checklist is only attributable to me and the paper coauthors,
> NOT to any of you).
>
> It is always great (and humbling!) to be able to tap into the collective
> wisdom of these lists. My sincere gratitude to all of you for that!
>
> Cheers,
> Jose
>
> --
> José L. Fernández-Triana, Ph.D.
> Research Scientist, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
> Canadian National Collection of Insects (CNC)
> 960 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0C6, CANADA
> Phone: 613-759-1034. Email: jose.fernandez at agr.gc.ca
> Alternative email : cnc.braconidae at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
> Fernandez, Jose
> Sent: August-23-18 10:25 AM
> To: parahym (parahym at nhm.ac.uk); taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Questions about availability of a species name
>
> Hi again,
>
> First of all, I want to say THANKS A LOT to all of you that have so far
> replied to my questions. I really appreciate that and the time you have
> spent doing it.
>
> Based on the discussion so far, the consensus is that the species name is
> still unavailable -although I see different interpretations of the
> pertinent articles that have been cited so far; if anything, it seems as
> there is ambiguity in the Code there (not a criticism of the ICZN per se,
> just an observation after reading the articles AND the opinions of those
> who replied to my questions).
>
> So now I only have a single question to ask: Is there a way that that name
> could ever be made available? Could you confirm that a) there is NO way to
> make that Microplitis vitellipedis name available by just clearly stating
> the depository in a subsequent paper; and b) indeed the ONLY way to make
> that species name available would be publishing a subsequent paper that
> includes all ICZN requirements to make such name available (a process  that
> implies a new author and year of publication for that species name)?
>
> The only reason I have asked all those questions is because I am about to
> finish a world checklist of the Braconidae subfamily Microgastrinae (~2,800
> valid names, a couple hundred names in other categories). If the name
> Microplitis vitellipedis could only be made available by the option b)
> cited above, then I would simply list that name in a section I already have
> for unavailable names. I have no intention to make species names from other
> authors available, unless it could be done via the option a) mentioned
> above. Thanks again for any advice you can provide about that.
>
> [And, please, allow me a stupid comment to end my message. I realize the
> importance of regulations and so on. But I still see a species that was a)
> described, compared to putative close species, and illustrated (drawings)
> in 2009, b) re-described, placed within a key to all Oriental species of
> Microplitis, and illustrated (color pictures) in 2015, c) a technicality
> (the authors of the original description probably forgot to add the
> depository, or just assumed that it was implicit that it was their
> institution, or just were not aware of the new Code regulations, or
> whatever) now prevents that species name to be available. Yes, there is no
> justification for the authors not stating clearly the depository in the
> original description, and I am no here to defend or represent the authors
> in any way or shape. But, if the depository indeed could be confirmed to be
> the Hunan Agricultural University, China, and a subsequent note could be
> published clearly stating that (preferably, done by the original authors),
> would not that be a better solution than any person using the available
> descriptions, stating a depository and getting credited for the species
> name? Where regulations and common sense meet? Or am I just too stupid to
> fully understand the logic behind those Articles? If so, I apologize in
> advance!].
>
> Cheers,
> Jose
>
> --
> José L. Fernández-Triana, Ph.D.
> Research Scientist, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
> Canadian National Collection of Insects (CNC)
> 960 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0C6, CANADA
> Phone: 613-759-1034. Email: jose.fernandez at agr.gc.ca
> Alternative email : cnc.braconidae at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
> Fernandez, Jose
> Sent: August-22-18 5:24 PM
> To: parahym (parahym at nhm.ac.uk); taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: [Taxacom] Questions about availability of a species name
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would greatly appreciate some help/comments on the following topic. I
> have added a "Right?" to the  end of my paragraphs to mark my questions
> (and NOT because I think that I am necessarily right!). Hopefully you can
> clarify me the situation.
>
> Microplitis vitellipedis Li, Tan & Song was described in 2009 from China
> The original paper did not state the holotype depository. Thus, the species
> name is unavailable under the current ICZN. Right?
>
> Then in 2015 a taxonomic review of the Oriental species of Microplitis
> refers to that species. It states that the holotype is deposited in the
> Hunan Agricultural University, China. That happens to be the institution
> which the authors of the original description were affiliated with (at
> least at the time of the 2009 publication). The 2015 paper, from Indian
> researchers, states that "the type specimen of this species could not be
> examined" and that they based their species description, illustration and
> place in the key to Oriental Microplitis species on specimens from India
> that they actually examined. I am not sure if the 2015 authors contacted
> the Chinese colleagues to verify that the type was indeed deposited in the
> Hunan Agricultural University, China. But that may be beyond the point,
> because what matters is that, if the type depository was explicitly (and
> clearly) stated in the 2015 paper, then that would comply with the ICZN
> requirements and thus would make the name Microplitis vitellipedis Li, Tan
> & Song available. Right?
>
> Assuming that the two previous paragraphs are correct, then my last
> question is, how to refer to that species? I mean the species name and
> authors would remain the same, but the actual date assigned to that name
> should be 2015 (the moment when the species name fulfilled all criteria to
> be considered an available name, sensu ICZN) and not 2009. Right? Should it
> be then Microplitis vitellipedis Li, Tan & Song 2015? Is there something
> there that I may be missing? Or some assumptions that are wrong? Or better
> ways to interpret the situation?
>
> [If someone is interested in checking the cited references, I will be
> happy to send pdf copies off list (just send me an email for that). In any
> case the two references are: a) Original Description Reference: Li,
> Xi-ying; Tan, Ji-cai and Song, Dong-bao. 2009. A new species of Microplitis
> Foerster (Hymenoptera: Braconidae: Microgastrinae) of China.
> Entomotaxonomia. 31(3):225-229; b) subsequent and so far only reference
> known to me: Ranjith, A.P.; Rajesh, K.M. and Nasser, M.. 2015. Taxonomic
> studies on Oriental Microplitis Foerster (Hymenoptera: Braconidae,
> Microgastrinae) with description of two new species from South India.
> Zootaxa. 3963(3):369-415].
>
> Thanks a lot for any help you can provide!
> All the best,
> Jose
>
> --
> José L. Fernández-Triana, Ph.D.
> Research Scientist, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
> Canadian National Collection of Insects (CNC)
> 960 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0C6, CANADA
> Phone: 613-759-1034. Email: jose.fernandez at agr.gc.ca<mailto:
> jose.fernandez at agr.gc.ca>
> Alternative email : cnc.braconidae at gmail.com<mailto:cnc.braconidae at gmail.
> com>
>
>
>
>
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