[Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn

Mary Barkworth Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu
Mon Sep 3 23:40:24 CDT 2018


I agree with Michael. It is hard to grasp the enormity of the loss. My condolences to all those associated with the museum.

Mary

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From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Michael A. Ivie
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:13 PM
To: Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn

Goodness guys, can' we have a period of mourning before the snits start? 
Imagine what our colleagues are going through after 40, 50 years of productive work in that building?  I know of grad students whose PhD projects were assembled and not finished - they have to literally start over on a new group because all of the group they were working on burned!  It is time for support and sadness. Types,non-types or research notes, it is a tragedy of unequaled scale in our field.


Mike


On 9/3/2018 8:03 PM, Kenneth Kinman wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
>         I'm not sure I would say that such losses (holotypes vs. 
> non-type specimens) are equally tragic.  Especially in cases where a 
> holotype is the only known specimen (or all the non-type specimens 
> were also in the same museum).
>
>       In such cases, if the only remaining specimens are digital 
> photographs, can such a photograph be made the neotype?  More 
> importantly, the question is whether most of the holotypes of that 
> museum had good diagnostic digital photos stored elsewhere.
>
>
>
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> *From:* Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of 
> Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:01 PM
> *To:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; MichaelIvie
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn Loss of holotypes 
> isn't really any more tragic than loss of non-type specimens (i.e. 
> both are equally tragic). Neotypes can be designated where necessary, 
> so that isn't a big deal. Events such as this illustrate the 
> importance of having good diagnostic digital photos of specimens 
> (stored on multiple servers). Specimens cannot be duplicated, but 
> digital images of specimens can be. Images might not give us all that 
> we might want, but they give us a lot more than a pile of smoking 
> charcoal. All specimens in all natural history collections will be 
> reduced to dust some day, it is only a matter of time.
>
> Stephen
>
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> On Mon, 3/9/18, Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn
>  To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Monday, 3 September, 2018, 3:34 PM
>
>  This might well be the largest loss of
>  primary types ever in a single event, if the reported total
>  loss proves true.  Thousands of types in the
>  Cerambycidae alone.
>  Our hearts go out to our Brazilian
>  colleagues.  Horrible event, please no negative
>  comments while this tragedy is so fresh.
>
>  Mike
>
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?ns_source=face
> book&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social
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> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?ns_source=fac
> ebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social>
> 	
> Fire ravages 200-year-old Brazil museum 
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?ns_source=fac
> ebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social>
> www.bbc.co.uk
> The National Museum of Brazil, home to some 20m items spanning 
> centuries, is devastated.
>
>
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NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers

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Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA

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Marsh Labs, Room 50
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