[Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn

Peter Rauch peterar at berkeley.edu
Wed Sep 5 12:10:46 CDT 2018


Understood. But that's not the focus of the comment.

That part of the "system" --involving locals-- is most appropriate.

The part of the "system" that is perhaps highlighted by the huge loss of
knowledge (both that already learned from the once-preserved accessions,
and maybe even more importantly, that still to have been learned from those
accessions), goes to your secong point --the well-protected opportunity for
that work to be conducted in a "global" forum, unhindered by local (usually
manifested at the national level) politico-commercial mechanisms under the
guise of "protecting national patrimony".

How valuable are our collections of biodiversity?  How well protected
against catastrophic loss are they? Is that level of protection a proper
"investment" by those creating the (national) policy over their respective
patrimonies? Who should we be looked to for making those policies (and to
whom, to pay for them)?

Peter

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:02 AM, David Campbell <pleuronaia at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's understandable, given the general colonialist approach to natural
> resources, that many countries would feel somewhat possessive.  However,
> there's plenty of local "anything found here must stay here" attitude
> locally within the US, which doesn't have that excuse.  We need to work
> towards a system that involves local experts and local populations in the
> global exchange of information and specimens.
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Peter Rauch <peterar at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> > Keeping in mind Mike Ivie's exhortation, "Goodness guys, can' we have a
> > period of mourning before the snits start?", but listening to some of the
> > U.S. TV news reporting on the "event" and the normal penchant to identify
> > "guilty parties", and pondering for a moment the years now that the world
> > has been wrestling with various countries' notions of "national
> patrimony"
> > relating to their biota, their collections of the same, and further the
> > commercial (to say nothing of scientific) implications that modern
> genetics
> > has given those collections and to still-extant living (local)
> > biodiversity, I wonder ...
> >
> > What are, what should be, the political implications and ramifications of
> > such catastrophic events, nationally, internationally ?
> >
> > Can the world afford even one more such event?
> >
> > Does it even matter --we're doing such a great job of destroying Earth's
> > and Humanity's Future everywhere; who cares about one museum's worth to
> > Humanity?
> >
> > Lots of individual tradegies erupted in a few moments for a great many
> who
> > are/were deeply dedicated to the enlightenment of the World, each
> shining a
> > bright light into the future. What does the world (of politics) owe them
> > and all?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Eduardo Dalcin <edalcin at jbrj.gov.br>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A letter from the director & curator of R Herbarium:
> > >
> > > https://www.iaptglobal.org/single-post/2018/09/05/From-the-
> > > director-curator-of-R
> > >
> > > Eduardo
> > > --------------------------------
> > > [image: photo]
> > > *Eduardo Dalcin*
> > > Inst. Pesq. Jardim Botânico do Rio de Janeiro
> > > +55 21 3204 2116 <+55+21+3204+2116> | +55 21 98393 3344
> > <+55+21+98393+3344>
> > > | edalcin at jbrj.org | Skype: eduardo.dalcin
> > > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#>
> > >   | WhatsApp: 55 21 983933344
> > > Rua Pacheco Leão 915 - Sl 203 - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil
> > > <http://facebook.com/eduardo.dalcin> <http://linkedin.com/in/edalcin>
> > > <http://github.com/edalcin>
> > > Portal de Dados: http://dados.jbrj.gov.br
> > > Blog: http://eduardo.dalc.in
> > > "To organize Brazil's biodiversity information and make it universally
> > > accessible and useful."
> > >
> > >
> > > Em ter, 4 de set de 2018 às 12:23, Christopher Davis <cdavis15 at asu.edu
> >
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Just forwarding this from another list:
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever been to The National Museum of Brazil? Did you take any
> > > > photos of any of the specimens held there? If so, the Museu Nacional
> > > staff
> > > > are asking for your help. Please email any photos you can to
> > > > isabeladfrreitas at gmail.com. With any luck some photos will have
> > legible
> > > > labels which may help recover at least some data. This is truly a
> > > > heartbreaking day for palaeontology, and science in general, but
> > > hopefully
> > > > as a community we can come together and salvage something from the
> > > sadness.
> > > >
> > > > ~
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Christopher Davis
> > > > PhD candidate, Plant Sciences, University of Cambridge
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 4:34 AM, Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This might well be the largest loss of primary types ever in a
> single
> > > > > event, if the reported total loss proves true.  Thousands of types
> in
> > > the
> > > > > Cerambycidae alone.
> > > > > Our hearts go out to our Brazilian colleagues.  Horrible event,
> > please
> > > no
> > > > > negative comments while this tragedy is so fresh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?
> > > > > ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_
> > > > > campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social
> > > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
> > > > >
> > > > > US Post Office Address:
> > > > > Montana Entomology Collection
> > > > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
> > > > > PO Box 173145
> > > > > Montana State University
> > > > > Bozeman, MT 59717
> > > > > USA
> > > > >
> > > > > UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> > > > > Montana Entomology Collection
> > > > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
> > > > > 1911 West Lincoln Street
> > > > > Montana State University
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> > > > > USA
> > > > >
> > > > > (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> > > > > (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
> > > > > mivie at montana.edu
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