[Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Sep 5 16:29:40 CDT 2018


I would call it (in a global context) a "set back", rather than a tragedy (tragedy="an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe"). Let's keep things in proper perspective, shall we? Or are we going to use this event to further some sort of political agenda?

Stephen

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On Thu, 6/9/18, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Thursday, 6 September, 2018, 9:12 AM
 
 An example of how we can
 personalize the impact of this global tragedy, 
 and use our local media to engage a broader
 local public audience with 
 the importance
 of museums and the way Rio's loss reaches out across the
 
 globe. People need to understand this not a
 tragedy just for Brazil, but 
 for the
 world.
 
 Mike
 
 https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/rio-museum-fire-destroys-some-msu-scientific-specimens/article_d7d7bf7e-6743-5632-a27d-f6f5ae00b039.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share
 
 
 On 9/5/2018
 10:02 AM, David Campbell wrote:
 >
 It's understandable, given the general colonialist
 approach to natural
 > resources, that
 many countries would feel somewhat possessive.  However,
 > there's plenty of local "anything
 found here must stay here" attitude
 > locally within the US, which doesn't
 have that excuse.  We need to work
 >
 towards a system that involves local experts and local
 populations in the
 > global exchange of
 information and specimens.
 >
 > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Peter
 Rauch <peterar at berkeley.edu>
 wrote:
 >
 >> Keeping
 in mind Mike Ivie's exhortation, "Goodness guys,
 can' we have a
 >> period of
 mourning before the snits start?", but listening to
 some of the
 >> U.S. TV news reporting
 on the "event" and the normal penchant to
 identify
 >> "guilty
 parties", and pondering for a moment the years now that
 the world
 >> has been wrestling with
 various countries' notions of "national
 patrimony"
 >> relating to their
 biota, their collections of the same, and further the
 >> commercial (to say nothing of
 scientific) implications that modern genetics
 >> has given those collections and to
 still-extant living (local)
 >>
 biodiversity, I wonder ...
 >>
 >> What are, what should be, the
 political implications and ramifications of
 >> such catastrophic events, nationally,
 internationally ?
 >>
 >> Can the world afford even one more
 such event?
 >>
 >> Does it even matter --we're doing
 such a great job of destroying Earth's
 >> and Humanity's Future everywhere;
 who cares about one museum's worth to
 >> Humanity?
 >>
 >> Lots of individual tradegies erupted
 in a few moments for a great many who
 >> are/were deeply dedicated to the
 enlightenment of the World, each shining a
 >> bright light into the future. What
 does the world (of politics) owe them
 >> and all?
 >>
 >> Peter
 >>
 >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:12 AM,
 Eduardo Dalcin <edalcin at jbrj.gov.br>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>> A letter from the director &
 curator of R Herbarium:
 >>>
 >>> https://www.iaptglobal.org/single-post/2018/09/05/From-the-
 >>> director-curator-of-R
 >>>
 >>>
 Eduardo
 >>>
 --------------------------------
 >>> [image: photo]
 >>> *Eduardo Dalcin*
 >>> Inst. Pesq. Jardim Botânico do
 Rio de Janeiro
 >>> +55 21 3204 2116
 <+55+21+3204+2116> | +55 21 98393 3344
 >> <+55+21+98393+3344>
 >>> | edalcin at jbrj.org
 | Skype: eduardo.dalcin
 >>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#>
 >>>    | WhatsApp: 55 21
 983933344
 >>> Rua Pacheco Leão 915
 - Sl 203 - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil
 >>> <http://facebook.com/eduardo.dalcin>
 <http://linkedin.com/in/edalcin>
 >>> <http://github.com/edalcin>
 >>> Portal de Dados: http://dados.jbrj.gov.br
 >>> Blog: http://eduardo.dalc.in
 >>> "To organize Brazil's
 biodiversity information and make it universally
 >>> accessible and useful."
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Em ter, 4 de set de 2018 às
 12:23, Christopher Davis <cdavis15 at asu.edu>
 >>> escreveu:
 >>>
 >>>>
 Dear All,
 >>>>
 >>>> Just forwarding this from
 another list:
 >>>>
 >>>> Have you ever been to The
 National Museum of Brazil? Did you take any
 >>>> photos of any of the specimens
 held there? If so, the Museu Nacional
 >>> staff
 >>>> are asking for your help.
 Please email any photos you can to
 >>>> isabeladfrreitas at gmail.com.
 With any luck some photos will have
 >>
 legible
 >>>> labels which may
 help recover at least some data. This is truly a
 >>>> heartbreaking day for
 palaeontology, and science in general, but
 >>> hopefully
 >>>> as a community we can come
 together and salvage something from the
 >>> sadness.
 >>>> ~
 >>>> Best wishes,
 >>>>
 >>>> Christopher Davis
 >>>> PhD candidate, Plant Sciences,
 University of Cambridge
 >>>>
 >>>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 4:34
 AM, Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu>
 >> wrote:
 >>>>> This might well be the
 largest loss of primary types ever in a single
 >>>>> event, if the reported
 total loss proves true.  Thousands of types in
 >>> the
 >>>>> Cerambycidae alone.
 >>>>> Our hearts go out to our
 Brazilian colleagues.  Horrible event,
 >> please
 >>>
 no
 >>>>> negative comments
 while this tragedy is so fresh.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Mike
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?
 >>>>>
 ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_
 >>>>>
 campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social
 >>>>>
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 __________________________________________________
 
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