[Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn

Robert Louis Zuparko rz at berkeley.edu
Wed Sep 5 19:10:51 CDT 2018


No, this is a tragedy, pure and simple, regardless of any political context.

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Robert Zuparko
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On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> I would call it (in a global context) a "set back", rather than a tragedy
> (tragedy="an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such
> as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe"). Let's keep things
> in proper perspective, shall we? Or are we going to use this event to
> further some sort of political agenda?
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 6/9/18, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thousands of holotype burn
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  Received: Thursday, 6 September, 2018, 9:12 AM
>
>  An example of how we can
>  personalize the impact of this global tragedy,
>  and use our local media to engage a broader
>  local public audience with
>  the importance
>  of museums and the way Rio's loss reaches out across the
>
>  globe. People need to understand this not a
>  tragedy just for Brazil, but
>  for the
>  world.
>
>  Mike
>
>  https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/
> rio-museum-fire-destroys-some-msu-scientific-specimens/
> article_d7d7bf7e-6743-5632-a27d-f6f5ae00b039.html?utm_
> medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share
>
>
>  On 9/5/2018
>  10:02 AM, David Campbell wrote:
>  >
>  It's understandable, given the general colonialist
>  approach to natural
>  > resources, that
>  many countries would feel somewhat possessive.  However,
>  > there's plenty of local "anything
>  found here must stay here" attitude
>  > locally within the US, which doesn't
>  have that excuse.  We need to work
>  >
>  towards a system that involves local experts and local
>  populations in the
>  > global exchange of
>  information and specimens.
>  >
>  > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Peter
>  Rauch <peterar at berkeley.edu>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >> Keeping
>  in mind Mike Ivie's exhortation, "Goodness guys,
>  can' we have a
>  >> period of
>  mourning before the snits start?", but listening to
>  some of the
>  >> U.S. TV news reporting
>  on the "event" and the normal penchant to
>  identify
>  >> "guilty
>  parties", and pondering for a moment the years now that
>  the world
>  >> has been wrestling with
>  various countries' notions of "national
>  patrimony"
>  >> relating to their
>  biota, their collections of the same, and further the
>  >> commercial (to say nothing of
>  scientific) implications that modern genetics
>  >> has given those collections and to
>  still-extant living (local)
>  >>
>  biodiversity, I wonder ...
>  >>
>  >> What are, what should be, the
>  political implications and ramifications of
>  >> such catastrophic events, nationally,
>  internationally ?
>  >>
>  >> Can the world afford even one more
>  such event?
>  >>
>  >> Does it even matter --we're doing
>  such a great job of destroying Earth's
>  >> and Humanity's Future everywhere;
>  who cares about one museum's worth to
>  >> Humanity?
>  >>
>  >> Lots of individual tradegies erupted
>  in a few moments for a great many who
>  >> are/were deeply dedicated to the
>  enlightenment of the World, each shining a
>  >> bright light into the future. What
>  does the world (of politics) owe them
>  >> and all?
>  >>
>  >> Peter
>  >>
>  >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:12 AM,
>  Eduardo Dalcin <edalcin at jbrj.gov.br>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> A letter from the director &
>  curator of R Herbarium:
>  >>>
>  >>> https://www.iaptglobal.org/single-post/2018/09/05/From-the-
>  >>> director-curator-of-R
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  Eduardo
>  >>>
>  --------------------------------
>  >>> [image: photo]
>  >>> *Eduardo Dalcin*
>  >>> Inst. Pesq. Jardim Botânico do
>  Rio de Janeiro
>  >>> +55 21 3204 2116
>  <+55+21+3204+2116> | +55 21 98393 3344
>  >> <+55+21+98393+3344>
>  >>> | edalcin at jbrj.org
>  | Skype: eduardo.dalcin
>  >>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#>
>  >>>    | WhatsApp: 55 21
>  983933344
>  >>> Rua Pacheco Leão 915
>  - Sl 203 - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil
>  >>> <http://facebook.com/eduardo.dalcin>
>  <http://linkedin.com/in/edalcin>
>  >>> <http://github.com/edalcin>
>  >>> Portal de Dados: http://dados.jbrj.gov.br
>  >>> Blog: http://eduardo.dalc.in
>  >>> "To organize Brazil's
>  biodiversity information and make it universally
>  >>> accessible and useful."
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Em ter, 4 de set de 2018 às
>  12:23, Christopher Davis <cdavis15 at asu.edu>
>  >>> escreveu:
>  >>>
>  >>>>
>  Dear All,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Just forwarding this from
>  another list:
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Have you ever been to The
>  National Museum of Brazil? Did you take any
>  >>>> photos of any of the specimens
>  held there? If so, the Museu Nacional
>  >>> staff
>  >>>> are asking for your help.
>  Please email any photos you can to
>  >>>> isabeladfrreitas at gmail.com.
>  With any luck some photos will have
>  >>
>  legible
>  >>>> labels which may
>  help recover at least some data. This is truly a
>  >>>> heartbreaking day for
>  palaeontology, and science in general, but
>  >>> hopefully
>  >>>> as a community we can come
>  together and salvage something from the
>  >>> sadness.
>  >>>> ~
>  >>>> Best wishes,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Christopher Davis
>  >>>> PhD candidate, Plant Sciences,
>  University of Cambridge
>  >>>>
>  >>>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 4:34
>  AM, Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>>>> This might well be the
>  largest loss of primary types ever in a single
>  >>>>> event, if the reported
>  total loss proves true.  Thousands of types in
>  >>> the
>  >>>>> Cerambycidae alone.
>  >>>>> Our hearts go out to our
>  Brazilian colleagues.  Horrible event,
>  >> please
>  >>>
>  no
>  >>>>> negative comments
>  while this tragedy is so fresh.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Mike
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45392668?
>  >>>>>
>  ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_
>  >>>>>
>  campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social
>  >>>>>
>  __________________________________________________
>  >>>>> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D.,
>  F.R.E.S.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> NOTE: two addresses with
>  different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> US Post Office Address:
>  >>>>> Montana Entomology
>  Collection
>  >>>>> Marsh Labs,
>  Room 50
>  >>>>> PO Box
>  173145
>  >>>>> Montana State
>  University
>  >>>>> Bozeman, MT
>  59717
>  >>>>> USA
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> UPS, FedEx, DHL
>  Address:
>  >>>>> Montana
>  Entomology Collection
>  >>>>>
>  Marsh Labs, Room 50
>  >>>>>
>  1911 West Lincoln Street
>  >>>>> Montana State
>  University
>  >>>>> Bozeman, MT
>  59718
>  >>>>> USA
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
>  >>>>> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
>  >>>>> mivie at montana.edu
>  >>>>>
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>
>  Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D.,
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>
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