[Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...

Richard Pyle deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Sat Sep 22 20:16:50 CDT 2018


Yup, I agree.  Life is definitely complicated.  And assigning names to life is even more complicated!

:-)

Rich

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:42 PM
> To: 'Tony Rees'; 'taxacom'; 'Thomas Pape'; deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
> 
> >But I suppose one could argue that perspective<
> 
> To my mind, nobody should want to "argue that perspective", but the problem
> is that it serves as another source of confusion, i.e. someone wants to verify
> Code compliance, so they look at the publication record, suppose it has no
> archive indicated, so click on the journal and see that record also has no
> archive intended. How many people would then think to search for duplicated
> journal records to check if any of them have an archive indicated? Even if
> they did, how many people would consider that a duplicate with an archive
> indicated solves the problem? It is all just too complicated!
> 
> Stephen
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 23/9/18, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
>  To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "'Tony Rees'"
> <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>, "'taxacom'" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> "'Thomas Pape'" <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
>  Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018, 12:35 PM
> 
>  I can address this question.
>  When a duplicate record is discovered in ZooBank, it is  merged with the
> correct record, and all the records linked  to the duplicate get transferred to
> the correct.  I think  that an error of this sort should not be regarded as a
> failure to indicate an intended archive, during the period  of time when the
> record was linked to the duplicate journal  record.  But I suppose one could
> argue that perspective.
> 
>  Also, I should point out that
>  in ZooBank, either the work itself (e.g., article) or the  parent work (e.g.,
> Journal) can have the archive  indicated.  So just because a particular journal
> does not  have an indicated archive doesn't mean a given article  within that
> journal doesn't have an archive indicated  directly.  This has happened a few
> times, where an author  of a paper in a journal that does not include an
> indicated  archive has instead asserted the intention of archive the  article
> directly (e.g., in Zenodo or Internet Arcive).
> 
>  Aloha,
>  Rich
> 
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> 
>  > -----Original
>  Message-----
>  > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of
>  > Stephen Thorpe
>  > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:51  PM  > To: Tony Rees; taxacom;
> Thomas  Pape  > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2  species/genera in Placozoa...
>  >
>  > BTW Thomas, what about this fairly common
>  scenario:
>  > A journal does have a record
>  on ZooBank with an intended archive, but an  > author creates a duplicate
> record for the  journal, without an intended  > archive,  and preregisters a
> publication under the duplicate journal  record  > (erroneously thinking that
> the  journal has to be registered again anew each  > time a publication is
> registered!)  Stephen  >  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Sun, 23/9/18, Thomas Pape <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject:
>  RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
>  >  To: "Tony Rees" <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>,  "Stephen Thorpe"
>  > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
>  "taxacom"
>  > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  >  Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018,
>  10:49 AM
>  >
>  >
>  Unfortunately, it is more
>  >  complicated
>  than that.
>  >  The original work was
>  >  published e-only and without evidence in  the work itself of  registration in
> >  ZooBank.
>  >  The journal PLOS
>  >  BIOLOGY does not provide an intended  archive under its  registration in  >
> ZooBank.
>  >  Therefore, this
>  >  work cannot be regarded as published for  the purposes of  zoological  >
> nomenclature in its electronic form.
>  >
>  Thus, unless there is a printed version of the  work, the  correction does not
> > point to a  published work.
>  >  Even the correction
>  itself does not comply with  the ICZN in its electronic  > form.
>  >
>  >  The placozoan names therefore remain  >  unavailable.
>  >
>  >  The Commission
>  >  is
>  aware of the problems associated with such published but  non-compliant  >
> works.
>  >  Until a solution has
>  >  been implemented, it is strongly
>  recommended to consult with  the
>  >
>  Commission before attempting to 'resurrect'
>  >  names and nomenclatural acts.
>  >
>  >  Thomas Pape
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original
>  >  Message-----
>  >
>  From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  >  On Behalf Of Tony Rees
>  >  Sent: 22. september
>  >  2018 23:47
>  >  To:
>  Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>  >  Cc: taxacom
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>  >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2
> species/genera in  Placozoa...
>  >
>  >  Just for
>  >
>  completeness, this is to note that the authors of Eitel et  al.
>  >  (2018) have now published a
>  correction
>  >  that includes the relevant
>  zoobank LSIDs to make the names  mentioned  > above available.
>  >
>  >
>  >
> https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.300003
>  > 2
>  >
>  >  Regards - Tony
>  >
>  >  Tony Rees, New South Wales,
>  >  Australia
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 09:09,
>  >  Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>  >  wrote:
>  >
>  >  > I
>  >  just now
>  saw the lead author retrospectively register the  article  on  >  > ZooBank. I
> wonder if he  understands fully that this does not directly  >  > address/solve
> the problem?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  Stephen
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  >  > On Mon, 6/8/18, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>  >  wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  >  Subject:
>  >
>  Re: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
>  >  >  To: "Stephen Thorpe"
>  <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  >  Cc: "taxacom"
>  > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  >  Received: Monday, 6 August, 2018,
>  > 12:18  PM  >  >  >  On Mon,
>  6 Aug  >
>  >  2018 at 08:42, Stephen
>  Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  >  wrote:
>  >  >  Anyway
>  >  [Big sigh!], the paper
>  >  >  appears to be
>  >  published e-only without ZooBank
>  preregistration, so  > the new names don't  > exist  anyway!!
>  >
>  >
>  >  >
>  >
>  Stephen
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  Hi
>  >  Stephen, that does indeed
>  appear
>  >  >  to
>  >  be the case. I have just sent an email  to the lead author  in  > Germany to
> see  > if they wish to  rectify the apparent  oversight.
>  >  >
>  >  Best
>  >  >
>  regards - Tony
>  >  >
>  >
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