[Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Mon Aug 19 17:57:42 CDT 2019


 PS: Someone called Sergio Henriques has just now registered it on ZooBank! I wonder if they understand that it will make no difference to the availability or otherwise of the name?
Stephen
    On Monday, 19 August 2019, 10:35:50 pm UTC, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:  
 
  Neal,Maybe so, but you really do have to question the wisdom of bothering to reject the name as being unavailable. What is the point? Why not treat it as if it were an available name? I have completely lost any sense of why anyone would want to create a complex legalistic set of rules which can catch authors out for minor technicalities? Is there a point here that I'm missing?Cheers,Stephen
    On Monday, 19 August 2019, 10:20:56 pm UTC, Neal Evenhuis <neale at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:  
 
 Yes, it is an excellent resource.

And, as such, they can correct mistakes and provide the correct nomenclatural situation for a name.

A database should be dynamic and can change once errors are pointed out. We are doing that for our Diptera database (Systema Dipterorum) and periodically post updated results. Is there a reason the WSC cannot do this?

Cheers,

-Neal

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Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe <dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>>, Neal Evenhuis <neale at bishopmuseum.org<mailto:neale at bishopmuseum.org>>
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013


Hi Neal et al.,


Yet, the World Spider Catalog lists the genus as valid.  This is the resource that all arachnologists use for nomenclature in the order Araneae.  Thus, as far as arachnologists are concerned, it is a valid genus if it is listed there.  As a result, it will get published in subsequent papers until someone refutes the name.  I'm NOT saying that the naming follows ICZN, only that once it makes it to the WSC, it is the accepted name among 99.99% of arachnologists until there is something to remove it from this level.  Right or wrong, that's how it's done.


Go ahead, say it-- arachnologists are stupid for blindly following this, or whatever people want to say.  At the end of the day, the WSC is the single best taxonomic resource I have EVER seen.  With 99.9% of the taxonomic literature available as pdfs, a centralized database and naming system, etc..., it's simply the gold standard for how to keep an order organized.


(And the debate on all of my comments starts in 3, 2, 1...)


Best regards, Brian


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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013

The name Nephilingis in the article does not comply with ICZN Code requirements and the supplementary material (online-only) was not registered in ZooBank (neither was the article itself).

Thus, the name Nephilingis is unavailable.

*waves big “non-"political stick around*

-Neal


From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu><mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> on behalf of taxacom <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU<mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU><mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>>
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Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 11:02 AM
To: taxacom <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU<mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU><mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>>, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe <dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com><mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013

Without having time just now to check the details of this case, I would nevertheless like to offer the general remark that Code compliance has become so very complex and "political" (i.e. the group waving the biggest "political stick" decides if it is compliant or not, and the Commission goes along with them - "post truth world"), that the only practical approach, in my opinion, is to treat everything as if it were Code compliant (except in the most obviously and uncontroversially non-compliant cases), until such time, if ever, that there is a significant push to claim otherwise. I would take the approach of using names as if they were Code compliant with just a brief footnote explaining any potential nomenclatural problems associated with the name.Cheers,Stephen
On Monday, 19 August 2019, 01:46:37 pm UTC, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu><mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> wrote:
Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013 was proposed in an online only appendix to the following paper:
Kuntner, M., Arnedo, M.A., Trontelj, P., Lokovšek, T. & Agnarsson, I. 2013. A molecular phylogeny of nephilid spiders: evolutionary history of a model lineage. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 69(3): 961-979. ezlab.zrc-sazu.si/uploads/2013/10/Kuntneral2013_NephPhylogeny.pdf<http://ezlab.zrc-sazu.si/uploads/2013/10/Kuntneral2013_NephPhylogeny.pdf>

Can a name published in this manner be considered available? The genus is included as validly published in the World Spider Catalog: wsc.nmbe.ch/genusdetail/2046<http://wsc.nmbe.ch/genusdetail/2046>


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