[Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013

Barry OConnor bmoc at umich.edu
Tue Aug 20 17:55:54 CDT 2019


Seems like the zoological community is fragmenting, with certain
subgroups following their own rules. No gender agreement for
Lepidoptera, "in catalog" = available for Araneae. Where will it end?
- Barry

- So many mites, so little time!

Barry M. OConnor
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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> That's one way of looking at it!
>    On Tuesday, 20 August 2019, 06:47:43 pm UTC, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much everyone for your thoughtful comments. The main purpose of asking the question was to see how the zoological taxonomy community on Taxacom would view this slightly unorthodox way of publishing a name. I get the sense that the majority point of view is the pragmatic one, that the name is available as published, though the fact that it appears in an online only appendix to the conventionally published paper is seen as problematic. I agree with Geoff Read that the intentional near homonymy of Nephilingis Kuntner 2013 with Nephilengys L Koch 1872 is unfortunate.
>
> I would like to mention that Matjaž Kuntner (http://ezlab.zrc-sazu.si/lab-members), the author of the name Nephilingis, is one of the most respected spider systematists who has contributed  immensely to our understanding of relationships among Araneoid spiders. I also want to state I am well aware of the tremendous value of the World Spider Catalog (https://wsc.nmbe.ch/), having contributed to its hardcopy precursors (e.g., Norman I Platnick's Advances in Spider Taxonomy 1988-1991 & Advances in Spider Taxonomy 1992-1995).
>
> Priyantha
> D. P. Wijesinghe
> dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com
>
>     On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 1:06:24 AM EDT, Geoff Read via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I searched for past comments questioning the published status of this name
> & didn't find any.
>
> However, the obvious deficiency is that the publication of this name was
> in an author's-origin Word doc appendix which the journal is free to take
> offline at any time, making the description inaccessible. Journals
> routinely disclaim responsibility for such 'extras' to articles. This is
> not a trivial technicality.
>
> I agree with Neal that the spider database should have flagged this name
> as having code compliance problems.  However, it should be in the
> database.
>
> And from the doc "the new (Nephilingis) and the old (Nephilengys) generic
> names are pronounced similarly."  Oh, what a great idea ... not!
>
> Geoff
>
>> On Tue, August 20, 2019 10:20 am, Neal Evenhuis via Taxacom wrote:
>> Yes, it is an excellent resource.
>>
>> And, as such, they can correct mistakes and provide the correct
>> nomenclatural situation for a name.
>>
>> A database should be dynamic and can change once errors are pointed out.
>> We are doing that for our Diptera database (Systema Dipterorum) and
>> periodically post updated results. Is there a reason the WSC cannot do
>> this?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -Neal
>>
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>> From: "Patrick, Brian"
>> <Brian.Patrick at dwu.edu<mailto:Brian.Patrick at dwu.edu>>
>> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 12:12 PM
>> To: Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>,
>> Dilrukshan Wijesinghe
>> <dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>>, Neal Evenhuis
>> <neale at bishopmuseum.org<mailto:neale at bishopmuseum.org>>
>> Cc: taxacom
>> <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU<mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013
>>
>>
>> Hi Neal et al.,
>>
>>
>> Yet, the World Spider Catalog lists the genus as valid.  This is the
>> resource that all arachnologists use for nomenclature in the order
>> Araneae.  Thus, as far as arachnologists are concerned, it is a valid
>> genus if it is listed there.  As a result, it will get published in
>> subsequent papers until someone refutes the name.  I'm NOT saying that the
>> naming follows ICZN, only that once it makes it to the WSC, it is the
>> accepted name among 99.99% of arachnologists until there is something to
>> remove it from this level.  Right or wrong, that's how it's done.
>>
>>
>> Go ahead, say it-- arachnologists are stupid for blindly following this,
>> or whatever people want to say.  At the end of the day, the WSC is the
>> single best taxonomic resource I have EVER seen.  With 99.9% of the
>> taxonomic literature available as pdfs, a centralized database and naming
>> system, etc..., it's simply the gold standard for how to keep an order
>> organized.
>>
>>
>> (And the debate on all of my comments starts in 3, 2, 1...)
>>
>>
>> Best regards, Brian
>>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Taxacom
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>> on behalf of Neal Evenhuis via Taxacom
>> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:18 PM
>> To: Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>; Taxacom
>> List <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>;
>> Dilrukshan Wijesinghe
>> <dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013
>>
>> The name Nephilingis in the article does not comply with ICZN Code
>> requirements and the supplementary material (online-only) was not
>> registered in ZooBank (neither was the article itself).
>>
>> Thus, the name Nephilingis is unavailable.
>>
>> *waves big “non-"political stick around*
>>
>> -Neal
>>
>>
>> From: Taxacom
>> <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu><mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
>> on behalf of taxacom
>> <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU<mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU><mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>>
>> Reply-To: Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz><mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
>> Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 11:02 AM
>> To: taxacom
>> <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU<mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU><mailto:TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU>>,
>> Dilrukshan Wijesinghe
>> <dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com><mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Availability of Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013
>>
>> Without having time just now to check the details of this case, I would
>> nevertheless like to offer the general remark that Code compliance has
>> become so very complex and "political" (i.e. the group waving the biggest
>> "political stick" decides if it is compliant or not, and the Commission
>> goes along with them - "post truth world"), that the only practical
>> approach, in my opinion, is to treat everything as if it were Code
>> compliant (except in the most obviously and uncontroversially
>> non-compliant cases), until such time, if ever, that there is a
>> significant push to claim otherwise. I would take the approach of using
>> names as if they were Code compliant with just a brief footnote explaining
>> any potential nomenclatural problems associated with the
>> name.Cheers,Stephen
>> On Monday, 19 August 2019, 01:46:37 pm UTC, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe via
>> Taxacom
>> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu><mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
>> wrote:
>> Nephilingis Kuntner, 2013 was proposed in an online only appendix to the
>> following paper:
>> Kuntner, M., Arnedo, M.A., Trontelj, P., Lokovšek, T. & Agnarsson, I.
>> 2013. A molecular phylogeny of nephilid spiders: evolutionary history of a
>> model lineage. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 69(3): 961-979.
>> ezlab.zrc-sazu.si/uploads/2013/10/Kuntneral2013_NephPhylogeny.pdf<http://ezlab.zrc-sazu.si/uploads/2013/10/Kuntneral2013_NephPhylogeny.pdf>
>>
>> Can a name published in this manner be considered available? The genus is
>> included as validly published in the World Spider Catalog:
>> wsc.nmbe.ch/genusdetail/2046<http://wsc.nmbe.ch/genusdetail/2046>
>>
>>
>> Priyantha
>> D. P. Wijesinghe
>> dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com<mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com><mailto:dpwijesinghe at yahoo.com>
>> _______________________________________________
>
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> Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
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