[Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

Roderic Page Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk
Mon Dec 7 06:38:01 CST 2020

Hi Carlos,

Just to unpack this a little, ORCID isn’t anything to do with biodiversity informatics as such, its scope is all academic publishing. You will see the requirement for an ORCID appearing in many journals, not just Zootaxa. See for example https://orcid.org/content/requiring-orcid-publication-workflows-open-letter So I think this is an inevitable trend no matter where you chose to publish.

You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you object to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?

Just to be clear, I’m genuinely interested in how people view ORCIDs (and other identifiers). And I think that the reason ORCIDs exist is not primarily for the benefit of individual researchers, although one could argue that it is useful to be able to clearly identify yourself to avoid being conflated with another researcher, and having your academic CV automatically generated.

Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing industry, funders, and academia, who see value in being able to identify people, and hence accurately measure their academic contributions (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.). People like me who work in trying to link data together tend to view ORCIDs positively (sorting out the mess of people names in databases will be much easier if everyone had - and used - an ORCID). I appreciate that not everyone sees them this way.



On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:58, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <biotemail at gmail.com<mailto:biotemail at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Rod,
There have been many irregularities in expanding ORCID and getting it adopted. Some have been discussed here, some I have seen myself. I have no time to discuss them all here. In the spotlight, there is this paragraph by Wouter Addink, which was really deplorable and which, at least for me, closed ORCID as an option:
"I am also amazed to see though, that there are still many authors not using their ORCID iD in OA publications or maintain their ORCID iD without any public information about their publications. I think there might even still be researchers who do not have an ORCID iD, although I don't know any." Well, Wouter, hello there!
Down to the core, Rod: This is a matter of personal freedom. Whoever forces an ID on researchers misses that. And whoever forces ONE ID above all others misses that two times. There is more in this world than the narrow field of biodiversity informatics.

Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
FI-20014 University of Turku
ResearchGate profile<https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
Myriapod Morphology and Evolution<https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>

El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 13:41, Roderic Page (<Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>>) escribió:
Hi Carlos,

I’m curious as to why you object to getting an ORCID? Is it an objection to identifier sin general, or ORCID in particular?



On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:36, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> wrote:

Dear Taxacomers,
I have been informed today by a co-author that Zootaxa has decided to be
strict and to enforce ORCID for all authors.
For all you journal editors and owners in this list: You are not welcome to
force an identifier on researchers, and even less to force ONE identifier
above all others, without alternatives. Also, it is useless. You might
force researchers to have an ID at the time of publication, but you cannot
force researchers to keep it. I will make sure that my ORCID gets wiped off
after publication. And every time you force me to get one, the same will
happen again. As the platform says, getting an ORCID just takes a minute.
Anthony Gill previously wrote: "My take is ORCID can take a flying jump at
itself." Couldn't agree more.

Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
FI-20014 University of Turku
Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
ResearchGate profile
Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
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