[Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

Wouter Addink wouter.addink at naturalis.nl
Mon Dec 7 12:04:42 CST 2020


A person name is not a persistent unique identifier, it is not unique
enough and also not always persistent so you cannot compare them with an
ORCID ID.

Unique identifiers themselves are pretty harmless, but they enable linking
of data and that can have ethical issues.

 A passport ID is needed to travel and ip addresses are needed to surf the
internet. Similarly a person identifier is needed in research to identify a
researcher. So far no problem but when passport id's, ip addresses and
internet data are linked by a government things can get nasty.

For ORCID id's I think the problem is not so big because it is not directly
possible to connect to a governmental person identifier like a passport
number.

But imagine a regime does not like publications about climate change and
uses ORCID to force your organisation to fire you because they used ORCID
to find out that you published about climate change and who you are working
for?

Luckily you could hide these publications or your Organisation in ORCID so
you have at least some control. But this is not a problem of the
identifiers but a problem of governments and regulation. Stopping to use
passport id's, ip addresses or orcids is not a very workable solution.

W.

Op ma 7 dec. 2020 18:17 schreef Frank T. Krell via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:

>
> Ethical implications of getting a unique identifier? You were forced by
> your parents or your country of origin to have a name. It is somewhat
> useful, isn't it?
> Having a unique identifier is just a step further in the direction of
> clarity: There are over 70 people called Carlos Muñoz on Research Gate, for
> example. There is an even bigger problem with Chinese names, and China is
> now leading in output of scientific papers. Personal proper names are not
> unique. The problem gets inflated if journals (or authors) initialize their
> first name. ORCID gives you the freedom to publish in a journal that
> initializes your first name, or does not consider your middle names, and
> you are still identifiable.
> The whole business of publication is bringing yourself into the public and
> giving up your privacy to some extent. This is one aspect of our existence
> as scientists.
> Your passport has a unique number, too. Would you reject it and rather not
> travel because it is forced onto you? That is your choice.
> Unique identifiers are a good thing in science (and other aspects of life
> in society). There are lots of bad things to fight, but I wouldn't lose my
> sleep about unique identifiers.
> Frank
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Carlos
> Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:31 AM
> To: Roger Hyam <RHyam at rbge.org.uk>
> Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers
>
> What all this thread has confirmed is how easily the smartest people on
> the planet can miss the ethical implications of their choices. Leaves
> little hope for those of use that are not so smart.
> Cheers,
>
> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> FI-20014 University of Turku
> Finland
> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
> ResearchGate profile
> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>
>
>
>
>
> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 17:23, Roger Hyam (<RHyam at rbge.org.uk>) escribió:
>
> > Well folks I’m building a botanical system that requires an ORCID to
> > login and all this thread has done is confirm I’ve made the right
> decision.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:38, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Wouter,
> > The ORCID initiative is not-for-profit, but the implementation is not.
> > ORCID has for-profit members paying membership fees and then 1)
> > building for-profit tools on top of ORCID IDs and 2) making ORCID IDs
> > mandatory in journals. Those tools and journals are then sold back to
> > public institutions, priced with profit margins of up to 37%, higher
> > than the profit margins of oil companies. That is why it is so
> > counterproductive, expensive and unfair to turn anything into a
> > standard when the full not-for-profit implementation cycle is far from
> > existing. In an ideal world, the full implementation cycle, with ORCID
> > expenses, tools and journals would be not-for-profit. Then I would
> > have no ethical problem in getting an ORCID.
> > Forceful adoption happens when the institutions buying a tool get an
> > ORCID-based added service in a pricing bundle that they cannot refuse
> > unless they refuse the whole package. Forceful adoption happens when
> > all or most of the journals where one can publish in demand an ORCID.
> > If you cannot see that using and promoting ORCID is not ethically
> > neutral, then you should stop doing both things.
> >
> > By the way, I don't expect you to easily find the footprints of
> > Elsevier, Nature Publishing and Thomson Reuters in nowadays ORCID. You
> > will have to look deeper into the past, even before ORCID was founded.
> > Have fun with your reading!
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > Finland
> > Myriatrix
> > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmyri
> > atrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a501606
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> > ResearchGate profile
> > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > .researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7CRHy
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> > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 16:19, Wouter Addink
> > (<wouter.addink at naturalis.nl>)
> > escribió:
> >
> >> Hi Carlos,
> >> I did not say that orcid ids do not cost money, I said they do not
> >> cost you as a researcher money. Every persistent identifier system
> costs money.
> >>
> >> I am no financial expert, but their tax statements are online and it
> >> looks to me like the main income is from membership fees, orcid has
> >> over
> >> 1000 members. Most of them probably universities. There is income
> >> from grants and sponsorship too and elsevier is one of 17 platinum
> sponsors.
> >> Most of these sponsorships are only foundational loans though.
> >> Springer and Plos are in the board, I do not see Elsevier there, but
> >> I think publishers should as stakeholders be part of the board (but
> >> not majority). According to orcid bylaws the board is required to
> >> have a majority of individuals from non-profit members and the board
> >> always includes 2 elected researchers. So I see nothing in the
> >> funding or governance model that worries me and I see no evidence of a
> major role from elsevier either.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Wouter
> >>
> >>
> >> Op ma 7 dec. 2020 14:23 schreef Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> >> biotemail at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Hi Rod,
> >>> "*Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing
> >>> industry, funders, and academia, who see value in being able to
> >>> identify people, and hence accurately measure their academic
> >>> contributions (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.).*"
> >>> I agree about the main drivers and I will comment on this. To save
> >>> me some time, please introduce to this list the ORCID funding model,
> >>> with the history of early funders and today's main funders. That's
> >>> where we should start.
> >>>
> >>> "You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> >>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you object
> >>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?" My freedom
> >>> includes the freedom to choose having an identifier or not, and my
> >>> freedom includes which identifiers from all those available I am
> >>> going to choose. My English is not good, but I expected that it was
> >>> enough to convey those ideas. An increasing number of journals are
> >>> forcing researchers to have identifiers, and to specifically have
> >>> ORCID. It is pretty significant when megajournals or publishers do
> >>> that. As the snowball effect increases, we are left with the option
> >>> of having an identifier (and only ORCID!) or not having it and not
> >>> publishing anymore. In this context, preservation of freedom means
> >>> to recommend good practices and to have the technical capability of
> >>> implementing them, but freedom is not preserved by forcing adoption
> >>> of a practice which is not essential to the scientific content of the
> publications.
> >>>
> >>> Dear Roger,
> >>> "*for example, Research Gate (which you rate so highly as to have in
> >>> your email signature)*". Having a platform in an email signature
> >>> does not mean that there is endorsement to that platform. That is
> >>> your personal interpretation. I was free to choose whether to have
> >>> RG or not, and even more, I also could choose and have an Academia
> >>> profile as well. No journal has demanded me to get any of those
> >>> accounts. Moreover, I previously had a Publons account in my email
> >>> signature. After Publons was bought by Clarivate Analytics, I
> >>> deleted my Publons account and demanded Clarivate to wipe off all my
> data.
> >>>
> >>> Dear Wouter,
> >>> About the freedom of choice, see the snowball effect above. About
> >>> the ORCID not costing money, you are very naive if you believe that.
> >>> Don't you think that I haven't noticed Elsevier's long tentacles
> >>> behind ORCID, and don't you think that I haven't noticed how they
> >>> squeeze money from whole countries by implementing ORCID into their
> >>> service package bundle, including Pure. I believe that I don't need
> >>> to remind anyone here that Elsevier makes more profit than oil
> >>> companies and that it is well-known for its abusive pricing and
> >>> bullying behavior. We are all paying for ORCID, and we pay two
> >>> times. First, we pay with our work, manually curating and linking
> >>> our research to us, data which publishers happily collect. Then, we
> >>> pay a second time, when publishers squeeze the cost of ORCID
> >>> implementation out of us, and with astonishing profits. I am not going
> to be one more researcher supporting Elsevier's statistics. Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> >>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> >>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> >>> Finland
> >>> Myriatrix
> >>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmy
> >>> riatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a50
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> >>> ResearchGate profile
> >>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> >>> ww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 14:38, Roderic Page (<
> >>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just to unpack this a little, ORCID isn’t anything to do with
> >>>> biodiversity informatics as such, its scope is all academic
> >>>> publishing. You will see the requirement for an ORCID appearing in
> >>>> many journals, not just Zootaxa. See for example
> >>>> https://orcid.org/content/requiring-orcid-publication-workflows-ope
> >>>> n-letter
> >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
> >>>> orcid.org
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> So I think this is an inevitable trend no matter where you chose to publish.
> >>>>
> >>>> You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> >>>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you object
> >>>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?
> >>>>
> >>>> Just to be clear, I’m genuinely interested in how people view
> >>>> ORCIDs (and other identifiers). And I think that the reason ORCIDs
> >>>> exist is not primarily for the benefit of individual researchers,
> >>>> although one could argue that it is useful to be able to clearly
> >>>> identify yourself to avoid being conflated with another researcher,
> >>>> and having your academic CV automatically generated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing industry,
> >>>> funders, and academia, who see value in being able to identify
> >>>> people, and hence accurately measure their academic contributions
> >>>> (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.). People like me
> >>>> who work in trying to link data together tend to view ORCIDs
> >>>> positively (sorting out the mess of people names in databases will
> >>>> be much easier if everyone had - and used - an ORCID). I appreciate
> that not everyone sees them this way.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Rod
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:58, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> >>>> biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Rod,
> >>>> There have been many irregularities in expanding ORCID and getting
> >>>> it adopted. Some have been discussed here, some I have seen myself.
> >>>> I have no time to discuss them all here. In the spotlight, there is
> >>>> this paragraph by Wouter Addink, which was really deplorable and
> >>>> which, at least for me, closed ORCID as an option:
> >>>> "*I am also amazed to see though, that there are still many authors
> >>>> not using their ORCID iD in OA publications or maintain their ORCID
> >>>> iD without any public information about their publications. I think
> >>>> there might even still be researchers who do not have an ORCID iD,
> >>>> although I don't know any.*" Well, Wouter, hello there!
> >>>> Down to the core, Rod: This is a matter of personal freedom.
> >>>> Whoever forces an ID on researchers misses that. And whoever forces
> >>>> ONE ID above all others misses that two times. There is more in
> >>>> this world than the narrow field of biodiversity informatics.
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> >>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> >>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> >>>> Finland
> >>>> Myriatrix
> >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fm
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> >>>> ResearchGate profile
> >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 13:41, Roderic Page (<
> >>>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’m curious as to why you object to getting an ORCID? Is it an
> >>>>> objection to identifier sin general, or ORCID in particular?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rod
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:36, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> >>>>> < taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Taxacomers,
> >>>>> I have been informed today by a co-author that Zootaxa has decided
> >>>>> to be strict and to enforce ORCID for all authors.
> >>>>> For all you journal editors and owners in this list: You are not
> >>>>> welcome to force an identifier on researchers, and even less to
> >>>>> force ONE identifier above all others, without alternatives. Also,
> >>>>> it is useless. You might force researchers to have an ID at the
> >>>>> time of publication, but you cannot force researchers to keep it.
> >>>>> I will make sure that my ORCID gets wiped off after publication.
> >>>>> And every time you force me to get one, the same will happen
> >>>>> again. As the platform says, getting an ORCID just takes a minute.
> >>>>> Anthony Gill previously wrote: "My take is ORCID can take a flying
> >>>>> jump at itself." Couldn't agree more.
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> >>>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> >>>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> >>>>> Finland
> >>>>> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/
> >>>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F
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> >>>>> >
> >>>>> ResearchGate profile
> >>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz
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> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/
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