[Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

Tony Rees tonyrees49 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 12:21:44 CST 2020


Hi Carlos, all,

Unlike Carlos I do not have a problem with OrcID (hi Carlos!) or other
identifier systems - in fact I use a range of them on the basis that each
has its own benefits, and I can live with any downsides... my views are
expressed more fully in a comment on one of Rod Page's iPhylo blog posts,
see
https://iphylo.blogspot.com/2020/04/wikidata-and-bibliography-of-life-in.html,
where I wrote:
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[One of my processes for personal data management is to] "put lists of my
publications on multiple externally hosted sites that specialise in this
stuff and expect to persist (NOT a personal website), using the LOCKSS
principle (Lots of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe), and keep the lists updated -
at present I use:

-- Google Scholar http://scholar.google.com.a...
<http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com.au%2Fcitations%3Fuser%3D3I7QbQQAAAAJ%3A6HFakquLPRSeDqyQwo3ZPn-MVnk&cuid=117200>
-- ResearcherID: http://www.researcherid.com...
<http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researcherid.com%2Frid%2FK-9837-2015%3AJmlZAxysE5tJoh8NtcapccydL2c&cuid=117200>
-- OrcID http://orcid.org/0000-0003-...
<http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F0000-0003-1887-5211%3AO1Y_wVhf8eysyLVAKDMXYFq7lp8&cuid=117200>
-- Researchgate https://www.researchgate.ne...
<https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FTony_Rees2%2Fpublications%3AgBBOy3c-pJUslmGz4Y0WsTTo-nM&cuid=117200>
-- academia.edu
<http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Facademia.edu%3A2ondROJrCIzbBxAwJceGw__41yY&cuid=117200>
 https://independent.academi...
<https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Findependent.academia.edu%2FTonyRees2%3AHRIeX8IuXcFq0axTJ-KpUSkA6l4&cuid=117200>

...this way there is at least a chance that a future interested person
might find them, via one of these routes."
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I do not feel forced to use OrcID, it is something that I see of some value
to me and those that might be interested in discovering my work, either now
or after I have left the planet... But I appreciate that not everybody has
the same view on this.

Regards to all - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
https://about.me/TonyRees
www.irmng.org


On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 05:04, Wouter Addink via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

> A person name is not a persistent unique identifier, it is not unique
> enough and also not always persistent so you cannot compare them with an
> ORCID ID.
>
> Unique identifiers themselves are pretty harmless, but they enable linking
> of data and that can have ethical issues.
>
>  A passport ID is needed to travel and ip addresses are needed to surf the
> internet. Similarly a person identifier is needed in research to identify a
> researcher. So far no problem but when passport id's, ip addresses and
> internet data are linked by a government things can get nasty.
>
> For ORCID id's I think the problem is not so big because it is not directly
> possible to connect to a governmental person identifier like a passport
> number.
>
> But imagine a regime does not like publications about climate change and
> uses ORCID to force your organisation to fire you because they used ORCID
> to find out that you published about climate change and who you are working
> for?
>
> Luckily you could hide these publications or your Organisation in ORCID so
> you have at least some control. But this is not a problem of the
> identifiers but a problem of governments and regulation. Stopping to use
> passport id's, ip addresses or orcids is not a very workable solution.
>
> W.
>
> Op ma 7 dec. 2020 18:17 schreef Frank T. Krell via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:
>
> >
> > Ethical implications of getting a unique identifier? You were forced by
> > your parents or your country of origin to have a name. It is somewhat
> > useful, isn't it?
> > Having a unique identifier is just a step further in the direction of
> > clarity: There are over 70 people called Carlos Muñoz on Research Gate,
> for
> > example. There is an even bigger problem with Chinese names, and China is
> > now leading in output of scientific papers. Personal proper names are not
> > unique. The problem gets inflated if journals (or authors) initialize
> their
> > first name. ORCID gives you the freedom to publish in a journal that
> > initializes your first name, or does not consider your middle names, and
> > you are still identifiable.
> > The whole business of publication is bringing yourself into the public
> and
> > giving up your privacy to some extent. This is one aspect of our
> existence
> > as scientists.
> > Your passport has a unique number, too. Would you reject it and rather
> not
> > travel because it is forced onto you? That is your choice.
> > Unique identifiers are a good thing in science (and other aspects of life
> > in society). There are lots of bad things to fight, but I wouldn't lose
> my
> > sleep about unique identifiers.
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
> >
> > Senior Curator of Entomology, Editor-in-Chief Commissioner and
> Councillor,
> > International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature Department of Zoology
> > Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> > 2001 Colorado Blvd
> > Denver, Colorado 80205-5798, U.S.A.
> > Frank.krell at dmns.org
> > Phone 303.370.8244
> > Fax 303.331.6492
> > https://www.dmns.org/science/zoology/staff/frank-krell/
> >
> > We are OPEN and can't wait to welcome you back! Escape to the Museum and
> > play the day away in "The Art of the Brick" and "Dogs! A Science
> > Tail."  Special ticket required for each exhibition in addition to timed
> > entry into the Museum.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Carlos
> > Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:31 AM
> > To: Roger Hyam <RHyam at rbge.org.uk>
> > Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers
> >
> > What all this thread has confirmed is how easily the smartest people on
> > the planet can miss the ethical implications of their choices. Leaves
> > little hope for those of use that are not so smart.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > Finland
> > Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
> > ResearchGate profile
> > <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
> > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 17:23, Roger Hyam (<RHyam at rbge.org.uk>)
> escribió:
> >
> > > Well folks I’m building a botanical system that requires an ORCID to
> > > login and all this thread has done is confirm I’ve made the right
> > decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:38, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > > biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Wouter,
> > > The ORCID initiative is not-for-profit, but the implementation is not.
> > > ORCID has for-profit members paying membership fees and then 1)
> > > building for-profit tools on top of ORCID IDs and 2) making ORCID IDs
> > > mandatory in journals. Those tools and journals are then sold back to
> > > public institutions, priced with profit margins of up to 37%, higher
> > > than the profit margins of oil companies. That is why it is so
> > > counterproductive, expensive and unfair to turn anything into a
> > > standard when the full not-for-profit implementation cycle is far from
> > > existing. In an ideal world, the full implementation cycle, with ORCID
> > > expenses, tools and journals would be not-for-profit. Then I would
> > > have no ethical problem in getting an ORCID.
> > > Forceful adoption happens when the institutions buying a tool get an
> > > ORCID-based added service in a pricing bundle that they cannot refuse
> > > unless they refuse the whole package. Forceful adoption happens when
> > > all or most of the journals where one can publish in demand an ORCID.
> > > If you cannot see that using and promoting ORCID is not ethically
> > > neutral, then you should stop doing both things.
> > >
> > > By the way, I don't expect you to easily find the footprints of
> > > Elsevier, Nature Publishing and Thomson Reuters in nowadays ORCID. You
> > > will have to look deeper into the past, even before ORCID was founded.
> > > Have fun with your reading!
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > Finland
> > > Myriatrix
> > > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmyri
> > > atrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a501606
> > > f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74158e4fd4%7C0%7C0%7C6
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> > > V2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=TfsbmT7wrvRC%2BHu1
> > > B9DBtxE%2FgaQUUTsFU%2FjVjunxhMM%3D&reserved=0>
> > > ResearchGate profile
> > > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > .researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7CRHy
> > > am%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7
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> > > erved=0>
> > > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > .facebook.com%2Fgroups%2F205802113162102%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbg
> > > e.org.uk%7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74
> > > 158e4fd4%7C0%7C0%7C637429487178409688%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoi
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 16:19, Wouter Addink
> > > (<wouter.addink at naturalis.nl>)
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > >> Hi Carlos,
> > >> I did not say that orcid ids do not cost money, I said they do not
> > >> cost you as a researcher money. Every persistent identifier system
> > costs money.
> > >>
> > >> I am no financial expert, but their tax statements are online and it
> > >> looks to me like the main income is from membership fees, orcid has
> > >> over
> > >> 1000 members. Most of them probably universities. There is income
> > >> from grants and sponsorship too and elsevier is one of 17 platinum
> > sponsors.
> > >> Most of these sponsorships are only foundational loans though.
> > >> Springer and Plos are in the board, I do not see Elsevier there, but
> > >> I think publishers should as stakeholders be part of the board (but
> > >> not majority). According to orcid bylaws the board is required to
> > >> have a majority of individuals from non-profit members and the board
> > >> always includes 2 elected researchers. So I see nothing in the
> > >> funding or governance model that worries me and I see no evidence of a
> > major role from elsevier either.
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards
> > >> Wouter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Op ma 7 dec. 2020 14:23 schreef Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > >> biotemail at gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Rod,
> > >>> "*Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing
> > >>> industry, funders, and academia, who see value in being able to
> > >>> identify people, and hence accurately measure their academic
> > >>> contributions (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.).*"
> > >>> I agree about the main drivers and I will comment on this. To save
> > >>> me some time, please introduce to this list the ORCID funding model,
> > >>> with the history of early funders and today's main funders. That's
> > >>> where we should start.
> > >>>
> > >>> "You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> > >>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you object
> > >>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?" My freedom
> > >>> includes the freedom to choose having an identifier or not, and my
> > >>> freedom includes which identifiers from all those available I am
> > >>> going to choose. My English is not good, but I expected that it was
> > >>> enough to convey those ideas. An increasing number of journals are
> > >>> forcing researchers to have identifiers, and to specifically have
> > >>> ORCID. It is pretty significant when megajournals or publishers do
> > >>> that. As the snowball effect increases, we are left with the option
> > >>> of having an identifier (and only ORCID!) or not having it and not
> > >>> publishing anymore. In this context, preservation of freedom means
> > >>> to recommend good practices and to have the technical capability of
> > >>> implementing them, but freedom is not preserved by forcing adoption
> > >>> of a practice which is not essential to the scientific content of the
> > publications.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dear Roger,
> > >>> "*for example, Research Gate (which you rate so highly as to have in
> > >>> your email signature)*". Having a platform in an email signature
> > >>> does not mean that there is endorsement to that platform. That is
> > >>> your personal interpretation. I was free to choose whether to have
> > >>> RG or not, and even more, I also could choose and have an Academia
> > >>> profile as well. No journal has demanded me to get any of those
> > >>> accounts. Moreover, I previously had a Publons account in my email
> > >>> signature. After Publons was bought by Clarivate Analytics, I
> > >>> deleted my Publons account and demanded Clarivate to wipe off all my
> > data.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dear Wouter,
> > >>> About the freedom of choice, see the snowball effect above. About
> > >>> the ORCID not costing money, you are very naive if you believe that.
> > >>> Don't you think that I haven't noticed Elsevier's long tentacles
> > >>> behind ORCID, and don't you think that I haven't noticed how they
> > >>> squeeze money from whole countries by implementing ORCID into their
> > >>> service package bundle, including Pure. I believe that I don't need
> > >>> to remind anyone here that Elsevier makes more profit than oil
> > >>> companies and that it is well-known for its abusive pricing and
> > >>> bullying behavior. We are all paying for ORCID, and we pay two
> > >>> times. First, we pay with our work, manually curating and linking
> > >>> our research to us, data which publishers happily collect. Then, we
> > >>> pay a second time, when publishers squeeze the cost of ORCID
> > >>> implementation out of us, and with astonishing profits. I am not
> going
> > to be one more researcher supporting Elsevier's statistics. Thank you!
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > >>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > >>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > >>> Finland
> > >>> Myriatrix
> > >>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmy
> > >>> riatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a50
> > >>> 1606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74158e4fd4%7C0%7
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> > >>> ResearchGate profile
> > >>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > >>> ww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7
> > >>> CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk%7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb0017
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> > >>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 14:38, Roderic Page (<
> > >>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Carlos,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just to unpack this a little, ORCID isn’t anything to do with
> > >>>> biodiversity informatics as such, its scope is all academic
> > >>>> publishing. You will see the requirement for an ORCID appearing in
> > >>>> many journals, not just Zootaxa. See for example
> > >>>> https://orcid.org/content/requiring-orcid-publication-workflows-ope
> > >>>> n-letter
> > >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
> > >>>> orcid.org
> >
> %2Fcontent%2Frequiring-orcid-publication-workflows-open-letter&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%
> > 40rbge.org.uk
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> > So I think this is an inevitable trend no matter where you chose to
> publish.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> > >>>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you object
> > >>>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just to be clear, I’m genuinely interested in how people view
> > >>>> ORCIDs (and other identifiers). And I think that the reason ORCIDs
> > >>>> exist is not primarily for the benefit of individual researchers,
> > >>>> although one could argue that it is useful to be able to clearly
> > >>>> identify yourself to avoid being conflated with another researcher,
> > >>>> and having your academic CV automatically generated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing industry,
> > >>>> funders, and academia, who see value in being able to identify
> > >>>> people, and hence accurately measure their academic contributions
> > >>>> (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.). People like me
> > >>>> who work in trying to link data together tend to view ORCIDs
> > >>>> positively (sorting out the mess of people names in databases will
> > >>>> be much easier if everyone had - and used - an ORCID). I appreciate
> > that not everyone sees them this way.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rod
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:58, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > >>>> biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Rod,
> > >>>> There have been many irregularities in expanding ORCID and getting
> > >>>> it adopted. Some have been discussed here, some I have seen myself.
> > >>>> I have no time to discuss them all here. In the spotlight, there is
> > >>>> this paragraph by Wouter Addink, which was really deplorable and
> > >>>> which, at least for me, closed ORCID as an option:
> > >>>> "*I am also amazed to see though, that there are still many authors
> > >>>> not using their ORCID iD in OA publications or maintain their ORCID
> > >>>> iD without any public information about their publications. I think
> > >>>> there might even still be researchers who do not have an ORCID iD,
> > >>>> although I don't know any.*" Well, Wouter, hello there!
> > >>>> Down to the core, Rod: This is a matter of personal freedom.
> > >>>> Whoever forces an ID on researchers misses that. And whoever forces
> > >>>> ONE ID above all others misses that two times. There is more in
> > >>>> this world than the narrow field of biodiversity informatics.
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > >>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > >>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > >>>> Finland
> > >>>> Myriatrix
> > >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fm
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> > >>>> ResearchGate profile
> > >>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
> > >>>> www.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01
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> > >>>> 7b7b3bc74158e4fd4%7C0%7C0%7C637429487178439669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > >>>> b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
> > >>>> %3D%7C1000&sdata=wpyrCxtuOLYKtvr8PiBaORuuxLJ1ss0e8LLWPoOl6Q8%3D&res
> > >>>> erved=0>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 13:41, Roderic Page (<
> > >>>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I’m curious as to why you object to getting an ORCID? Is it an
> > >>>>> objection to identifier sin general, or ORCID in particular?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Rod
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:36, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> > >>>>> < taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dear Taxacomers,
> > >>>>> I have been informed today by a co-author that Zootaxa has decided
> > >>>>> to be strict and to enforce ORCID for all authors.
> > >>>>> For all you journal editors and owners in this list: You are not
> > >>>>> welcome to force an identifier on researchers, and even less to
> > >>>>> force ONE identifier above all others, without alternatives. Also,
> > >>>>> it is useless. You might force researchers to have an ID at the
> > >>>>> time of publication, but you cannot force researchers to keep it.
> > >>>>> I will make sure that my ORCID gets wiped off after publication.
> > >>>>> And every time you force me to get one, the same will happen
> > >>>>> again. As the platform says, getting an ORCID just takes a minute.
> > >>>>> Anthony Gill previously wrote: "My take is ORCID can take a flying
> > >>>>> jump at itself." Couldn't agree more.
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > >>>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > >>>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > >>>>> Finland
> > >>>>> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/
> > >>>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F
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> > >>>>> 2a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74158e4fd4
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> > >>>>> a=gYA83w6ok7p7RTgQjKbgcEkFBw9Rn%2B5bZn4FuJnMzPg%3D&reserved=0>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> ResearchGate profile
> > >>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz
> > >>>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
> > >>>>> Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C
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> > >>>>> oKl4vbc5wp8%3D&reserved=0>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
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> > >>>>> Y%3D&reserved=0>
> > >>>>> >
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Nurturing nuance while assaulting ambiguity for about 33 years,
> > >>>>> 1987-2020.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> Roderic Page
> > >>>>> Professor of Taxonomy
> > >>>>> Institute of Biodiversity, Animal Health and Comparative Medicine
> > >>>>> College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences Graham Kerr
> > >>>>> Building University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Email:  Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk
> > >>>>> Tel:  +44 141 330 4778
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> > >>>>> ruaEKW6VLmntErW0PJwmJHeQgrq0pqcH5bA0dE9Q%3D&reserved=0>
> > >>>>> Blog:  https://iphylo.blogspot.com
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> > >>>>> 2nhAIM%2F%2FKlp0smcCZS6aMDB7fAFPa2oOa7MQt0vko%3D&reserved=0>
> > >>>>> ORCID:  https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7101-9767
> > >>>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
> > >>>>> Forcid.org%2F0000-0002-7101-9767&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.u
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> > >>>>> ed=0>
> > >>>>> Citations:
> > >>>>> https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=4Z5WABAAAAAJ
> > >>>>> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
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> > >>>>> tccVqAMOcn8nkJDW4%3D&reserved=0> ResearchGate
> > >>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roderic_Page
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> > >>>>>
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