[Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

Wouter Addink wouter.addink at naturalis.nl
Tue Dec 8 06:02:37 CST 2020

Hi Tony,
I think it is a limitation of the current ORCID principles: Orcid wants to
ensure that the individual that has the id is the only one that can create
and control it, but the downside of that is that you cannot have orcid ids
for deceased persons since they cannot create an orcid record themselves.
So we need other solutions like wikidata for that. What happens after you
decease is explained here:
In principle, if you assign one or more trusted individuals to maintain
your record, they can do further modifications after you died, such as
adding information that you deceased. But many people won't do that so the
data will be 'frozen' after your death and not have any information
indicating that you died.


On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 23:36, Tony Rees via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

> As a follow up to the above, not too long ago I was interested in trying to
> discover academic papers authored by my late father (d. 2006), who was a
> geographer. He wrote books - thus has a VIAF ID, issued externally by a
> consortium of libraries in which his books reside, but I did not find a
> single easy way to discover/aggregate/publish a listing of his articles.
> Since he is deceased, many systems e.g. ORCID are not interested in issuing
> a relevant identifier, which seems a lost opportunity (same for the
> multitude of deceased authors in taxonomy).
> For what it's worth, there is a different Tony Rees to myself who writes
> books, has a VIAF ID (I do not - not being a book author, and cannot get
> one), and to whom some of my journal articles have been attributed in error
> (even though they are not books) in VIAF. I tried to get this undone, but
> did not get very far. Better data cleaning methods / user control obviously
> needed!
> Regards - Tony
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 08:31, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > John Grehan wrote:
> >
> > " I live with it, but don't like it."
> >
> > I live with it too, but quite like it, as it provides (one) route to link
> > together my various scientific contributions, in a manner that others can
> > find, both now, and also in the future, when eventually I will no longer
> be
> > around (on the vague hope that some of my work may have a value to others
> > down the track). As stated earlier (though the links seem to have got
> > mangled by the copy/paste process I used from iPhylo), for this purpose I
> > presently utilise the services of (all of) Google Scholar, ResearcherID,
> > ORCID, Researchgate and academia.edu, on the basis that this increases
> > the chance that my work might be found (or stumbled upon) by someone
> using
> > any one of these routes. I do not see any one of these as more of an
> > intrusion of my privacy than any other; also if one or more is embedded
> in
> > someone else's commercial enterprise, I really do not object. Also in 50
> > (or 100) years time, would anyone like to make a punt as to which will
> > still be around? My money is for the identifier issued, and maintained,
> by
> > someone whose business model depends on it... (probably applies to
> > headstones in graveyards as well).
> >
> > Best - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> > https://about.me/TonyRees
> > www.irmng.org
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 06:50, John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> It was interesting to see the range of conversation about this matter.
> >> Seems to settle on two points 1) lack of choice, 2) exploitation of
> >> information.
> >>
> >> I can sympathise with the first most definitely and personally I would
> >> prefer not to have to have an ORCID number - its a poisonous 'orchid' as
> >> far as I am concerned. But there are many things in life over which I
> have
> >> no choice. There are all sorts of rules in our town about how high I can
> >> build a fence on my property and how far I can build next to a neighbor
> >> for
> >> example.  Or there is a speed limit on my driving etc.  There are lots
> of
> >> forces limiting my choice, many agreeable, many not so much. But I have
> to
> >> live with them regardless.
> >>
> >> Exploitation of my information by others is also objectionable to me,
> but
> >> again not much I can do about it if I want to publish in certain
> venues. I
> >> live with it, but don't like it.
> >>
> >> Cheers, John Grehan
> >>
> >
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