[Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

Donat Agosti agosti at amnh.org
Mon Dec 14 04:01:42 CST 2020


In a world, where we finally can ask questions, such as "what do I know about" or "with whom is X linked" or even more complex questions using multiple sources all linked through shared elements, such as a particular sequence, a taxonomic name, a collection, a specimen or a person because we start using identifiers, such as accession code, collection code, specimen codes and increasingly their persistent identifiers, and we realize that we have a chance to have on for persons too (ORCID for active scientists at least), we should really make us of this phenomenal tool.

The most obvious use of this is in scholarly publications. We should not produce closed access publications based on dumb PDF. Because each statement in the such a publication should contribute towards building up to our charting the worlds biodiversity.

If an author produces a statement about a holotype in a taxonomic treatment "body length = 4 mm" this means
Body: length = 4 mm
Holotype: a specimen designated as a holotype in the collection X and labeled as holotype
Species: a new species name provided in a taxonomic treatment by the authority X
Taxononomic treatment: a taxonomic treatment as part of publication Y	
Publication by author Z, in journal Z, in volume Z, pages y-z, year Z
Journal published by...

This translated to the new world:
Body length (ref vocabulary term "body length" ) mm (ref vocabulary term" unit"... )
Holotype: PID (specimen code): including PID (collection code), PID (collector), PID (identifier), ref vocabulary term "geoCoordinae", ref vocabulary term "collecting method", ref vocabulary term "habitat"
Species: PID for specimen including: PID for authority
Taxonomic treatment: PID for taxonomic treatment
Publication: PID for publication: including PID for author, journal name, PID of  included treatments, specimens, etc.
Journal: PID for journal

An example could be:
Body length: not available but the terminology exists
Holotype: https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2456368926  , including BarCode ID: EC-15124, YY-A043, collection code PUCE, taxonomic status: typeStatus= holotype (see also https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2456368926/cluster)
Species: https://www.gbif.org/species/160511324 , https://www.gbif.org/species/160511324/verbatim 
Taxonomic treatment: DOI https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.4056468 and its metadata: https://zenodo.org/record/4056468/export/json#.X9cfyWhKiPo 
Publication: DOI https://doi.org/10.3897/zookeys.890.35786

This is only the begin, and more detailed examples are  already out there (search for example on GBIF for European Journal of Taxonomy an follow back from the materials citation aka observations to the article.

Though the PID fo a person is not yet implemented, we have a person in different function: 
- author of the article
- authority of a taxonomic name
- author of a taxonomic treatment
- collector
- identifier of a specimen
- author of a material citation (citation of a specimen)
Plus we have additional roles (which increasingly could become machines)
- submitter of article, treatment to BLR
- submitter of article, treatment to TreatmentBank
- submitter of article, treatment to GBIF
- processor of article
- registrar to Zoobank
Further upstream
- editor
- reviewer

Each is a valuable part to be able to make use of the data at the end and in toda'ys (machine readable, linked)  world, we should be able to give credit. This only works, if we can do this by machine and this again only works if we can start assign PIDs, be it ORCID, wikidata ID, or else. And this ID has to accompany the name as an attribute, which is happening increasingly at least at the author level in journal articles.

Cheers
Donat





 
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Dean Pentcheff via Taxacom
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers

EXTERNAL SENDER


Like many of you, I suspect, I have a strong distaste for discussion based
on speculation when facts are easily obtainable.

But "easily", of course, depends on your background knowledge, which can be
regional. As an American, I happen to know that "non-profit" corporations
in the U.S. must file a "Form 990" tax return every year (and note that
"non-profit" is not a value judgement or a general description — it is a
particular taxation category of institutions under U.S. law).

Those filings are public, and they are easily available at
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.guidestar.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942350616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gzRfjE62hWx%2Bi1zXBsmvsP6RmOGGhEJolrNwp1bp9fs%3D&reserved=0 (a non-profit that aggregates information about
other non-profits). A quick check of ORCID's filings there indicates that
their revenues for these years were:
  2016: $4,201,686
  2017: $3,023,297
  2018: $3,581,407
For 2017 and 2018, nearly all of that comes from membership dues, as cited
on page 9 of the filings (https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fabout%2Fmembership&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6JhTCsJp1u%2FmEA6kybQoEzovneszAdFlo08P0zNK%2Bbc%3D&reserved=0 and
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fmembers&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=NYLxo8iexDs94iAqV%2BVuheXKSEOigZVrFmXuRT0%2FUac%3D&reserved=0). In 2016, nearly $2M came from other sources
(which I am guessing are some of the early funders and sponsors:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fabout%2Fcommunity%2Fsponsors&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DKdEjnFnf8zXLsPx7ME6zIo5u0UH6M6O9AC20GkeFWk%3D&reserved=0).

ORCID is quite transparent about their governance structure:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fabout%2Fwhat-is-orcid%2Fgovernance&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qcGt7BblI92ZNlfLQ5cnaBDuf727iFqbtivQir9eFIY%3D&reserved=0 (and yes, they post their
own tax Form 990s there as well).

Those with suspicions about the motivations behind ORCID should probably
contact their "Trust Working Group":
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fcontent%2Ftrust-working-group&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=s0C2t3ljcLLGZLzxPbrLCAnHLFWj7WFcpkq7o9Dq7so%3D&reserved=0 . At the least, review the
documents created by that group starting at:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fabout%2Ftrust%2Fhome&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=8qpHRgWN1YWrok%2FAdtKdb3xCcG59SVffJh9E5z3Y4JA%3D&reserved=0

I hope that helps anyone with questions to find answers. Of course, I'm not
so naïve as to believe that everyone wants answers to their questions.

-Dean
--
Dean Pentcheff
pentcheff at gmail.com
pentcheff at nhm.org <dpentche at nhm.org>
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:25 AM Michael Heads via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

> who pays for orcid? They're obviously spending a ton of money.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:22 AM Tony Rees via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Carlos, all,
> >
> > Unlike Carlos I do not have a problem with OrcID (hi Carlos!) or other
> > identifier systems - in fact I use a range of them on the basis that each
> > has its own benefits, and I can live with any downsides... my views are
> > expressed more fully in a comment on one of Rod Page's iPhylo blog posts,
> > see
> >
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fiphylo.blogspot.com%2F2020%2F04%2Fwikidata-and-bibliography-of-life-in.html&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BCRx8MimzN6gFV3AFDpLhlbxRqSvMo8KwaFFWzjI6Oo%3D&reserved=0
> > ,
> > where I wrote:
> > ---------------
> >
> > [One of my processes for personal data management is to] "put lists of my
> > publications on multiple externally hosted sites that specialise in this
> > stuff and expect to persist (NOT a personal website), using the LOCKSS
> > principle (Lots of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe), and keep the lists updated -
> > at present I use:
> >
> > -- Google Scholar https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com.a%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FAsEghi4dp7gHBQMg2aak%2Bp4a%2B1H4%2FN963CJnEDUxXc%3D&reserved=0...
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> >
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> > >
> > -- ResearcherID: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researcherid.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942360614%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=aBGoJ%2FRts%2BgaxRgcV8wmfvdl3NpFQd2WT%2FXreJrFnPU%3D&reserved=0...
> > <
> >
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> > >
> > -- OrcID https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F0000-0003-&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FnzINLpax%2Fw5RXqCd2UcAJJMwWJovWL8JZVWz1JlQNg%3D&reserved=0...
> > <
> >
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> > <
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisq.us%2Furl%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.researchgate.net%252Fprofile%252FTony_Rees2%252Fpublications%253AgBBOy3c-pJUslmGz4Y0WsTTo-nM%26cuid%3D117200&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IrUkxgAmdKfLOl4qgrsSZllwtgZAlCDz7MR7S3smL54%3D&reserved=0
> > >
> > -- academia.edu
> > <
> >
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> >
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> > >
> >
> > ...this way there is at least a chance that a future interested person
> > might find them, via one of these routes."
> > ---------------
> >
> > I do not feel forced to use OrcID, it is something that I see of some
> value
> > to me and those that might be interested in discovering my work, either
> now
> > or after I have left the planet... But I appreciate that not everybody
> has
> > the same view on this.
> >
> > Regards to all - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=7BDIu13DiUzeRyNRq0Fc3%2FW%2FSZjTl%2BrMiW4SBPJ9hLE%3D&reserved=0
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 05:04, Wouter Addink via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > A person name is not a persistent unique identifier, it is not unique
> > > enough and also not always persistent so you cannot compare them with
> an
> > > ORCID ID.
> > >
> > > Unique identifiers themselves are pretty harmless, but they enable
> > linking
> > > of data and that can have ethical issues.
> > >
> > >  A passport ID is needed to travel and ip addresses are needed to surf
> > the
> > > internet. Similarly a person identifier is needed in research to
> > identify a
> > > researcher. So far no problem but when passport id's, ip addresses and
> > > internet data are linked by a government things can get nasty.
> > >
> > > For ORCID id's I think the problem is not so big because it is not
> > directly
> > > possible to connect to a governmental person identifier like a passport
> > > number.
> > >
> > > But imagine a regime does not like publications about climate change
> and
> > > uses ORCID to force your organisation to fire you because they used
> ORCID
> > > to find out that you published about climate change and who you are
> > working
> > > for?
> > >
> > > Luckily you could hide these publications or your Organisation in ORCID
> > so
> > > you have at least some control. But this is not a problem of the
> > > identifiers but a problem of governments and regulation. Stopping to
> use
> > > passport id's, ip addresses or orcids is not a very workable solution.
> > >
> > > W.
> > >
> > > Op ma 7 dec. 2020 18:17 schreef Frank T. Krell via Taxacom <
> > > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ethical implications of getting a unique identifier? You were forced
> by
> > > > your parents or your country of origin to have a name. It is somewhat
> > > > useful, isn't it?
> > > > Having a unique identifier is just a step further in the direction of
> > > > clarity: There are over 70 people called Carlos Muñoz on Research
> Gate,
> > > for
> > > > example. There is an even bigger problem with Chinese names, and
> China
> > is
> > > > now leading in output of scientific papers. Personal proper names are
> > not
> > > > unique. The problem gets inflated if journals (or authors) initialize
> > > their
> > > > first name. ORCID gives you the freedom to publish in a journal that
> > > > initializes your first name, or does not consider your middle names,
> > and
> > > > you are still identifiable.
> > > > The whole business of publication is bringing yourself into the
> public
> > > and
> > > > giving up your privacy to some extent. This is one aspect of our
> > > existence
> > > > as scientists.
> > > > Your passport has a unique number, too. Would you reject it and
> rather
> > > not
> > > > travel because it is forced onto you? That is your choice.
> > > > Unique identifiers are a good thing in science (and other aspects of
> > life
> > > > in society). There are lots of bad things to fight, but I wouldn't
> lose
> > > my
> > > > sleep about unique identifiers.
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
> > > >
> > > > Senior Curator of Entomology, Editor-in-Chief Commissioner and
> > > Councillor,
> > > > International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature Department of
> > Zoology
> > > > Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> > > > 2001 Colorado Blvd
> > > > Denver, Colorado 80205-5798, U.S.A.
> > > > Frank.krell at dmns.org
> > > > Phone 303.370.8244
> > > > Fax 303.331.6492
> > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dmns.org%2Fscience%2Fzoology%2Fstaff%2Ffrank-krell%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2Ff7kkxvJ%2B9d7GQUheFHX8CeUmRcmdjtXqlg5FwByyX0%3D&reserved=0
> > > >
> > > > We are OPEN and can't wait to welcome you back! Escape to the Museum
> > and
> > > > play the day away in "The Art of the Brick" and "Dogs! A Science
> > > > Tail."  Special ticket required for each exhibition in addition to
> > timed
> > > > entry into the Museum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> > > > Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:31 AM
> > > > To: Roger Hyam <RHyam at rbge.org.uk>
> > > > Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Forcing ORCID on researchers
> > > >
> > > > What all this thread has confirmed is how easily the smartest people
> on
> > > > the planet can miss the ethical implications of their choices. Leaves
> > > > little hope for those of use that are not so smart.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > Finland
> > > > Myriatrix <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmyriatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=w62TyE7a%2BKdgF%2Fu5ibNepT%2BOg6oiS5VriKMq%2BiLLqwc%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > ResearchGate profile
> > > > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942370604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4A1f0wLogcHo10nKb2gzOwyiO%2Fr6dF%2B0xXayohr6Vfg%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fgroups%2F205802113162102%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942380600%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sXkAPAEExl2ReW3vbZfJe8ElKzOPtIMmdLuvgHxRpCw%3D&reserved=0>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 17:23, Roger Hyam (<RHyam at rbge.org.uk>)
> > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > Well folks I’m building a botanical system that requires an ORCID
> to
> > > > > login and all this thread has done is confirm I’ve made the right
> > > > decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:38, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > > > > biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Wouter,
> > > > > The ORCID initiative is not-for-profit, but the implementation is
> > not.
> > > > > ORCID has for-profit members paying membership fees and then 1)
> > > > > building for-profit tools on top of ORCID IDs and 2) making ORCID
> IDs
> > > > > mandatory in journals. Those tools and journals are then sold back
> to
> > > > > public institutions, priced with profit margins of up to 37%,
> higher
> > > > > than the profit margins of oil companies. That is why it is so
> > > > > counterproductive, expensive and unfair to turn anything into a
> > > > > standard when the full not-for-profit implementation cycle is far
> > from
> > > > > existing. In an ideal world, the full implementation cycle, with
> > ORCID
> > > > > expenses, tools and journals would be not-for-profit. Then I would
> > > > > have no ethical problem in getting an ORCID.
> > > > > Forceful adoption happens when the institutions buying a tool get
> an
> > > > > ORCID-based added service in a pricing bundle that they cannot
> refuse
> > > > > unless they refuse the whole package. Forceful adoption happens
> when
> > > > > all or most of the journals where one can publish in demand an
> ORCID.
> > > > > If you cannot see that using and promoting ORCID is not ethically
> > > > > neutral, then you should stop doing both things.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, I don't expect you to easily find the footprints of
> > > > > Elsevier, Nature Publishing and Thomson Reuters in nowadays ORCID.
> > You
> > > > > will have to look deeper into the past, even before ORCID was
> > founded.
> > > > > Have fun with your reading!
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > > Finland
> > > > > Myriatrix
> > > > > <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmyri
> > > > > atrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a501606
> > > > >
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> > > > > ResearchGate profile
> > > > > <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > > > .researchgate.net
> > %2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7CRHy
> > > > > am%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7
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> > > > > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > > > <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > > > .facebook.com
> > %2Fgroups%2F205802113162102%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbg
> > > > > e.org.uk
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 16:19, Wouter Addink
> > > > > (<wouter.addink at naturalis.nl>)
> > > > > escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >> I did not say that orcid ids do not cost money, I said they do not
> > > > >> cost you as a researcher money. Every persistent identifier system
> > > > costs money.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am no financial expert, but their tax statements are online and
> it
> > > > >> looks to me like the main income is from membership fees, orcid
> has
> > > > >> over
> > > > >> 1000 members. Most of them probably universities. There is income
> > > > >> from grants and sponsorship too and elsevier is one of 17 platinum
> > > > sponsors.
> > > > >> Most of these sponsorships are only foundational loans though.
> > > > >> Springer and Plos are in the board, I do not see Elsevier there,
> but
> > > > >> I think publishers should as stakeholders be part of the board
> (but
> > > > >> not majority). According to orcid bylaws the board is required to
> > > > >> have a majority of individuals from non-profit members and the
> board
> > > > >> always includes 2 elected researchers. So I see nothing in the
> > > > >> funding or governance model that worries me and I see no evidence
> > of a
> > > > major role from elsevier either.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Kind regards
> > > > >> Wouter
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Op ma 7 dec. 2020 14:23 schreef Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > > > >> biotemail at gmail.com>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi Rod,
> > > > >>> "*Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing
> > > > >>> industry, funders, and academia, who see value in being able to
> > > > >>> identify people, and hence accurately measure their academic
> > > > >>> contributions (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants,
> etc.).*"
> > > > >>> I agree about the main drivers and I will comment on this. To
> save
> > > > >>> me some time, please introduce to this list the ORCID funding
> > model,
> > > > >>> with the history of early funders and today's main funders.
> That's
> > > > >>> where we should start.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> > > > >>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you
> object
> > > > >>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?" My freedom
> > > > >>> includes the freedom to choose having an identifier or not, and
> my
> > > > >>> freedom includes which identifiers from all those available I am
> > > > >>> going to choose. My English is not good, but I expected that it
> was
> > > > >>> enough to convey those ideas. An increasing number of journals
> are
> > > > >>> forcing researchers to have identifiers, and to specifically have
> > > > >>> ORCID. It is pretty significant when megajournals or publishers
> do
> > > > >>> that. As the snowball effect increases, we are left with the
> option
> > > > >>> of having an identifier (and only ORCID!) or not having it and
> not
> > > > >>> publishing anymore. In this context, preservation of freedom
> means
> > > > >>> to recommend good practices and to have the technical capability
> of
> > > > >>> implementing them, but freedom is not preserved by forcing
> adoption
> > > > >>> of a practice which is not essential to the scientific content of
> > the
> > > > publications.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dear Roger,
> > > > >>> "*for example, Research Gate (which you rate so highly as to have
> > in
> > > > >>> your email signature)*". Having a platform in an email signature
> > > > >>> does not mean that there is endorsement to that platform. That is
> > > > >>> your personal interpretation. I was free to choose whether to
> have
> > > > >>> RG or not, and even more, I also could choose and have an
> Academia
> > > > >>> profile as well. No journal has demanded me to get any of those
> > > > >>> accounts. Moreover, I previously had a Publons account in my
> email
> > > > >>> signature. After Publons was bought by Clarivate Analytics, I
> > > > >>> deleted my Publons account and demanded Clarivate to wipe off all
> > my
> > > > data.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dear Wouter,
> > > > >>> About the freedom of choice, see the snowball effect above. About
> > > > >>> the ORCID not costing money, you are very naive if you believe
> > that.
> > > > >>> Don't you think that I haven't noticed Elsevier's long tentacles
> > > > >>> behind ORCID, and don't you think that I haven't noticed how they
> > > > >>> squeeze money from whole countries by implementing ORCID into
> their
> > > > >>> service package bundle, including Pure. I believe that I don't
> need
> > > > >>> to remind anyone here that Elsevier makes more profit than oil
> > > > >>> companies and that it is well-known for its abusive pricing and
> > > > >>> bullying behavior. We are all paying for ORCID, and we pay two
> > > > >>> times. First, we pay with our work, manually curating and linking
> > > > >>> our research to us, data which publishers happily collect. Then,
> we
> > > > >>> pay a second time, when publishers squeeze the cost of ORCID
> > > > >>> implementation out of us, and with astonishing profits. I am not
> > > going
> > > > to be one more researcher supporting Elsevier's statistics. Thank
> you!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > >>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > >>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > >>> Finland
> > > > >>> Myriatrix
> > > > >>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmy
> > > > >>> riatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a50
> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>> ResearchGate profile
> > > > >>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > > > >>> ww.researchgate.net
> > %2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01%7
> > > > >>> CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb0017
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> > > > >>> eserved=0>
> > > > >>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > > >>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
> > > > >>> ww.facebook.com
> > %2Fgroups%2F205802113162102%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%4
> > > > >>> 0rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7
> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>> erved=0>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 14:38, Roderic Page (<
> > > > >>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Just to unpack this a little, ORCID isn’t anything to do with
> > > > >>>> biodiversity informatics as such, its scope is all academic
> > > > >>>> publishing. You will see the requirement for an ORCID appearing
> in
> > > > >>>> many journals, not just Zootaxa. See for example
> > > > >>>>
> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2Fcontent%2Frequiring-orcid-publication-workflows-ope&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942380600%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ComJ4LTWwuX%2FS9JB2wX2WHlNVPah9ptgB8ZGuIAJrLs%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >>>> n-letter
> > > > >>>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
> > > > >>>> orcid.org
> > > >
> > >
> >
> %2Fcontent%2Frequiring-orcid-publication-workflows-open-letter&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%
> > > > 40rbge.org.uk
> > >
> >
> %7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74158e4fd4%7C0%7C0%7C637429487178429673%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=CoLrp%2BUeMeSkRvxLgW5m99uRUcPjqxWdVC4yWu85dUw%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > So I think this is an inevitable trend no matter where you chose to
> > > publish.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> You mention “personal freedom”, it’s not clear to me how your
> > > > >>>> freedom is affected by having an ORCID. Is it the ORCID you
> object
> > > > >>>> to, or the notion of having an identifier at all?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Just to be clear, I’m genuinely interested in how people view
> > > > >>>> ORCIDs (and other identifiers). And I think that the reason
> ORCIDs
> > > > >>>> exist is not primarily for the benefit of individual
> researchers,
> > > > >>>> although one could argue that it is useful to be able to clearly
> > > > >>>> identify yourself to avoid being conflated with another
> > researcher,
> > > > >>>> and having your academic CV automatically generated.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Rather, I think the main drivers come from the publishing
> > industry,
> > > > >>>> funders, and academia, who see value in being able to identify
> > > > >>>> people, and hence accurately measure their academic
> contributions
> > > > >>>> (be it authoring, reviewing, getting grants, etc.). People like
> me
> > > > >>>> who work in trying to link data together tend to view ORCIDs
> > > > >>>> positively (sorting out the mess of people names in databases
> will
> > > > >>>> be much easier if everyone had - and used - an ORCID). I
> > appreciate
> > > > that not everyone sees them this way.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Rod
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:58, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> > > > >>>> biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Hi Rod,
> > > > >>>> There have been many irregularities in expanding ORCID and
> getting
> > > > >>>> it adopted. Some have been discussed here, some I have seen
> > myself.
> > > > >>>> I have no time to discuss them all here. In the spotlight, there
> > is
> > > > >>>> this paragraph by Wouter Addink, which was really deplorable and
> > > > >>>> which, at least for me, closed ORCID as an option:
> > > > >>>> "*I am also amazed to see though, that there are still many
> > authors
> > > > >>>> not using their ORCID iD in OA publications or maintain their
> > ORCID
> > > > >>>> iD without any public information about their publications. I
> > think
> > > > >>>> there might even still be researchers who do not have an ORCID
> iD,
> > > > >>>> although I don't know any.*" Well, Wouter, hello there!
> > > > >>>> Down to the core, Rod: This is a matter of personal freedom.
> > > > >>>> Whoever forces an ID on researchers misses that. And whoever
> > forces
> > > > >>>> ONE ID above all others misses that two times. There is more in
> > > > >>>> this world than the narrow field of biodiversity informatics.
> > > > >>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > >>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > >>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > >>>> Finland
> > > > >>>> Myriatrix
> > > > >>>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fm
> > > > >>>> yriatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=04%7C01%7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a
> > > > >>>>
> > 501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb00175e46b7b7b3bc74158e4fd4%7C
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> gjrlxYk54MoMc9ZDAowAXdXrSejUnVfYRikr5D4o%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > >>>> ResearchGate profile
> > > > >>>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
> > > > >>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C0793414d7e2e462eac2308d89c024899%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637430880942380600%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=WkPfvXiaAbJzSo%2FQXwdH%2FOe4GcBsnwVLviXSHvzWjKw%3D&reserved=0
> > %2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=04%7C01
> > > > >>>> %7CRHyam%40rbge.org.uk
> > %7C42a501606f81410216ca08d89abdc7a3%7Cbb63bb0
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> wx8ec%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > >>>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > > >>>> <
> > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
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> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> erved=0>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> El lun, 7 dic 2020 a las 13:41, Roderic Page (<
> > > > >>>> Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>) escribió:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I’m curious as to why you object to getting an ORCID? Is it an
> > > > >>>>> objection to identifier sin general, or ORCID in particular?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Rod
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:36, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via
> > Taxacom
> > > > >>>>> < taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Dear Taxacomers,
> > > > >>>>> I have been informed today by a co-author that Zootaxa has
> > decided
> > > > >>>>> to be strict and to enforce ORCID for all authors.
> > > > >>>>> For all you journal editors and owners in this list: You are
> not
> > > > >>>>> welcome to force an identifier on researchers, and even less to
> > > > >>>>> force ONE identifier above all others, without alternatives.
> > Also,
> > > > >>>>> it is useless. You might force researchers to have an ID at the
> > > > >>>>> time of publication, but you cannot force researchers to keep
> it.
> > > > >>>>> I will make sure that my ORCID gets wiped off after
> publication.
> > > > >>>>> And every time you force me to get one, the same will happen
> > > > >>>>> again. As the platform says, getting an ORCID just takes a
> > minute.
> > > > >>>>> Anthony Gill previously wrote: "My take is ORCID can take a
> > flying
> > > > >>>>> jump at itself." Couldn't agree more.
> > > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > >>>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > >>>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > >>>>> Finland
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> > > > >>>>>
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> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Nurturing nuance while assaulting ambiguity for about 33 years,
> > > > >>>>> 1987-2020.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>> Roderic Page
> > > > >>>>> Professor of Taxonomy
> > > > >>>>> Institute of Biodiversity, Animal Health and Comparative
> Medicine
> > > > >>>>> College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences Graham Kerr
> > > > >>>>> Building University of Glasgow Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Email:  Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk
> > > > >>>>> Tel:  +44 141 330 4778
> > > > >>>>> Skype:  rdmpage
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