[Taxacom] PhyloCode

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Jun 13 17:05:37 CDT 2021


 At any rate, there is no problem with a phylocode, provided that only phylogeneticists use it for phylogenetic work, while taxonomists ignore it. However, it was intended, I assume, to compete with and replace Linnean taxonomy, which is the problem. Similarly, if DNA based species use a separate naming system, which does not compete with the ICZN/ICBN naming systems, then there is no problem.Stephen
    On Monday, 14 June 2021, 09:31:07 am NZST, igor pavlinov via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:  
 
 
Hi all anti-phylocoders,
 
this is just to remind you that an adoption of 1758 in zoology and 1753, 1789, and 1820 in botany in the 19th century as the dates of the “law of priority” application that disvalidated all earlier taxonomic names and their authorship. In the second half of the 19th century, there were voices against this anti-ethical “law” with retroactive effect. Are there any current devoted “Linnaeans” protesting against this retroactive law? And if there are none, why do they protest against the phylocoders’ clauses, worshipping Hennig, that just reproduce, in this respect, those established 1,5 centuries ago by the then nomenclaturists having worshiped Linnaeus?
 
Cheers,
 
Igor
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>Воскресенье, 13 июня 2021, 16:34 +03:00 от Evangelos Vlachos via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:
> 
>Yes, but also the Phylocode ended up being something less ambitious and
>extensive, compared to the original plan (see their failure on species
>names) which is criticized by Nixon et al.
>
>We need to realize what the PhyloCode is and is not, and treat it
>accordingly.
>
>PC, for example, started with the promise of abolishing mandatory ranks and
>ended up having more mandatory ranks than the ICZN (species and genera are
>indirectly accepted in PC, and then they also have crown and panstem
>"ranks" as well).
>
>Today, the PhyloCode is nothing more than a parallel and additional
>citation system to boost the citations of their authors in two ways: 1)
>authors of previously established family group names are changed to the
>Phylocode authors who defined (NOT named) that taxon in a phylogeny, and 2)
>have elevated authority of definitions as an additional citation next to
>taxonomic names. And if you count emanations, a PhyloCode name could have
>up to three authorship next to it! It's ridiculous.
>
>And they achieved that by doing another shameful decision: they set the
>starting date of the PhyloCode in the future! Thus, a privileged few that
>had inside information on the upcoming publication of PhyloNyms, rushed to
>established additional names for their taxonomic groups and claim all
>authorships. I know that because I was invited to participate in my own
>taxonomic group. I refused, of course...
>
>If they had done what ICZN, for example, has done and set the date in the
>past (e.g. the publication of Hennig's book) all current PhyloCoders whould
>lose many citations. Who would want that?
>
>A disgrace.
>
>What bothers me the most is that currently the PhyloCode mostly scavenges
>over ICZN and ICBN names, who have been named and used under those codes
>and by authors who respect those codes. The great majority of PC names are
>"preexisting names", names established under other Codes.
>
>Then, other authors come, usurp those names and just provide an emended
>diagnosis (in many cases not even that) claiming citation and authorship.
>If PhyloCode was new and parallel, fine. But as it works now it is a really
>a disgrace.
>
>Names established under the Codes (under their rules and naming practices
>and prestige) are (in my opinion) also trademarks of these Codes (besides
>intellectual property of the authors), and should not be usurped as such in
>the PhyloCode...
>
>The way I see it, the PhyloCode has become (originally was something
>interesting) a set of rules that allows people that were fed up of citing
>past authors for family group names and higher, and they just wanted to
>start citing themselves.
>
>For me, firm actions should be taken against the PhyloCode.
>
>Anyway, these are my two cents...
>
>Sincerely,
>Evan Vlachos
>
>
>On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 03:47 Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom <
>taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu > wrote:
> 
>> These words by Nixon et al. (2003) sound as if they were written today:
>> "The most important conclusion is that we need community involvement in
>> this. A small group of people who have very significant resources, and thus
>> influence, are overthrowing your government — the ICBN and the ICZN. If the
>> community does not become actively involved in fighting the PhyloCode, they
>> will succeed, and in so doing, demolish much of the hard work that our
>> predecessors have built into the current codes. We do not need a parallel
>> system."
>> The difference is that now not just the codes but the whole of Taxonomy is
>> at stake.
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
>> FI-20014 University of Turku
>> Finland
>> Myriatrix < http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/ >
>> ResearchGate profile
>> < https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz >
>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
>> < https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/ >
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>> Hi All,
>> This talk of numerous parallel naming systems reminds me of the
>> confusion that has resulted from PhyloCode. Those problems were noted long
>> ago in the 2003 article "The PhyloCode Is Fatally Flawed, and the
>> “Linnaean” System Can Easily Be Fixed".
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>>  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225117136_The_PhyloCode_Is_Fatally_Flawed_and_the_Linnaean_System_Can_Easily_Be_Fixed
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>>  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225117136_The_PhyloCode_Is_Fatally_Flawed_and_the_Linnaean_System_Can_Easily_Be_Fixed
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>> (PDF) The PhyloCode Is Fatally Flawed, and the “Linnaean” System Can Easily
>> Be Fixed - ResearchGate<
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>>  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225117136_The_PhyloCode_Is_Fatally_Flawed_and_the_Linnaean_System_Can_Easily_Be_Fixed
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>> and databases since all organisms with sequence accessions deposited on
>> INSDC are organized in its hierarchical structure.
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