[Taxacom] Is this science?

John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Thu Jun 17 16:25:46 CDT 2021


Hi Step[hen:

"So John, your response is effectively ... money gets wasted all the time,
so why are you making such a big deal of this case?"

Did not mean that you should not make a big deal of it in this case.

"You seem to think that if a problem is sufficiently common, then it is ok."

I can correct you on that.

" At least with your garbage, John, your methodology and conclusions are
clear."

Thank you. Others on this list have in the past expressed a different view.

"There are no suggestions of funding fueled deception of any kind on your
part."

But if it is considered garbage then any attempt to fund it would be viewed
as 'funding fueled deception'

Cheers, John
Stephen

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 4:08 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> So John, your response is effectively the same as the response that I
> initially received on the matter from a then associate professor, now
> promoted to full professor, which was quote public money gets wasted all
> the time, so why are you making such a big deal of this case? Unquote
> You seem to think that if a problem is sufficiently common, then it is ok.
> I'll tell that to the next person who is dying of cancer, i.e. people are
> dying of cancer all the time, so why are you making such a big deal of it?
> Who knows, 4 years worth of funding from a charity, in which the University
> has an insider installed as chair, could have better contributed something
> to cancer research. Instead it resulted in a publication which I would
> challenge anyone to paraphrase even just the conclusion paragraph into
> something which makes any sense. At least with your garbage, John, your
> methodology and conclusions are clear. There are no suggestions of funding
> fueled deception of any kind on your part. It is more a case of a healthy
> debate on biogeography itself, so not a good analogy here.
> Stephen
>
> On Friday, 18 June 2021, 01:09:26 am NZST, John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Stephen - it might have been more informative for you to state what you
> think is garbage about the paper which leaves the option for others to
> weigh in if they want to. Science is full of garbage, including my own
> (according to others), so that in of itself is nothing new. Research
> Associate positions usually imply (implicitly or explicitly) concordance
> between the Associate and the institution. If one becomes uncomfortable
> with activities of that institution one can either withdraw, or be
> withdrawn - as in your case.
>
> Cheers, John Grehan
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:22 AM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  It seems that the link to ResearchGate isn't coming through on the
> Taxacom post. It can be found by Googling
> "Determining_species_diversity_and_functional_traits_of_beetles_for_monitoring_the_effects_of_environmental_change_in_the_New_Zealand_alpine_zone"
>     On Thursday, 17 June 2021, 07:12:31 pm NZST, Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  Dear Taxacomers,A few years ago, I posted regarding a project being run
> as an MSc, by a major university around here, in the name of climate
> change. The project seemed to me to be garbage designed to suck external
> funding and load it with expenses (travel and accommodation between the two
> ends of the country, including helicopter rides to the study site). My
> attempts to bring my concerns about the project to light resulted in my
> expulsion as a research associate from the university. I have just now seen
> the publication resulting from the 4 year project: (PDF) Determining
> species diversity and functional traits of beetles for monitoring the
> effects of environmental change in the New Zealand alpine zoneMy opinion on
> the publication is that it is a deliberate attempt at obfuscation to try to
> make something of nothing. I would be very interested in any comments. Is
> this valid science? I have my opinion, but I could be wrong.Cheers,Stephen
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